How would SNW be viewed had it been the FIRST NuTrek series in 2017?

[fireproof78]

They should have did a ship we never heard of before starting on a "normal" 5 year mission.

Here's the sad part, at least in my experience over the last decade with this online fandom. They can't do random nobodies. Star Trek is very self-referential and that is baked in to its DNA, as certain as phasers and transporters. This is a part of fiction that often times annoys me, but the evidence is painfully clear at this point that if they did a ship of nobody's they would need a hook. Prodigy has Janeway, Lower Decks is constantly referring to Trek's past. Burnham was connected to Sarek, Picard is self-explanatory.

Maybe after Strange New Worlds is done we will get something new. But, I would be surprised.

 

[UssGlenn]

Visual changes are fine to a point. Though I do appreciate them trying to put visual cues from TOS in SNW. But They made the ship MASSIVE. The 1701 Enterprise was not massive except in the alternate Kelvin reality.

947 feet was always too small to fit the sets from The Original Series. As far as I'm concerned Kirk's ship was always 1450 feet. The question is, do the new SNW sets fit inside a 1450 foot ship.

 

[Dar70]

Here's the sad part, at least in my experience over the last decade with this online fandom. They can't do random nobodies. Star Trek is very self-referential and that is baked in to its DNA, as certain as phasers and transporters. This is a part of fiction that often times annoys me, but the evidence is painfully clear at this point that if they did a ship of nobody's they would need a hook. Prodigy has Janeway, Lower Decks is constantly referring to Trek's past. Burnham was connected to Sarek, Picard is self-explanatory.

Maybe after Strange New Worlds is done we will get something new. But, I would be surprised.

Well it's sad that the last time we got an original premised Trek. Something really different was DS9.

 

[fireproof78]

Well it's sad that the last time we got an original premised Trek. Something really different was DS9.

I would encourage fans who want something different than when a new show comes out to not ask the question "Where is this (legacy item/person/place)?" Because that is what drives much of the responses to new Trek. And then the push back for diving in to the familiar.

No win scenario, Kirk, eat your heart out. Oh, sorry, shouldn't have referenced Kirk in this post.

 

[ScottJ85]

The constant bitching about Discovery in this forum is beyond tedious.

It's far, far worse outside this forum. The way some of the fan communities on Reddit and Facebook act, you'd think Paramount piled up the entire Trek back catalog out behind the studio and burned it, with Sonequa Martin-Green personally lighting the match.

I think if SNW was the first of the new Trek series, maybe the backlash wouldn't have been quite so vitriolic but the "old thing good new thing bad" mentality would be there and just as strong as ever.

 

[ichab]

Can't speak for anyone else, but my favorable opinion of the show would be no different. The only thing that would have changed is how often I subscribed to CBS All Access before it became Paramount Plus, which would have been a lot more. Sorry, but Discovery and Picard's bad storytelling wasn't some backdoor help to my appreciation of Strange New Worlds. It's just hands down a better show that I look forward to each week, whereas Picard I had to slog to get thru and Discovery I gave up during Season 2.

And the complaint of "This new prequal show has a more modern look than TOS" was first done back in Enterprise, not Discovery. By the time we got to Discovery after the end of the JJ movies it was a tired, dead horse. You either accept the fact that a show made in the 2000s is going to look more modern than one made in the 60s or you don't.

 

[fireproof78]

It's far, far worse outside this forum. The way some of the fan communities on Reddit and Facebook act, you'd think Paramount piled up the entire Trek back catalog out behind the studio and burned it, with Sonequa Martin-Green personally lighting the match.

I think if SNW was the first of the new Trek series, maybe the backlash wouldn't have been quite so vitriolic but the "old thing good new thing bad" mentality would be there and just as strong as ever.

Indeed. It proved quite convincingly to me that fans are attached to the look of things, including physical appearance of characters, than the content itself. SNW would be accepted, begrudgingly, with cries of badness echoing throughout social media, especially with Spock.

 

[Charles Phipps]

It's far, far worse outside this forum. The way some of the fan communities on Reddit and Facebook act, you'd think Paramount piled up the entire Trek back catalog out behind the studio and burned it, with Sonequa Martin-Green personally lighting the match.

I think if SNW was the first of the new Trek series, maybe the backlash wouldn't have been quite so vitriolic but the "old thing good new thing bad" mentality would be there and just as strong as ever.

A reminder also that the hatedom is not remotely the majority either. My wife became a Trekkie BECAUSE of Discovery.

 

[Rainard Fox]

Probably I should share my honest opinion about DSC s2 trailer which introduced Anson Mount's Pike in 2018?

During the first season, I managed to go from a hater to almost a fan (this is because in the first episodes there was no Gabriel Lorca, and then he was). As a result, I could hardly imagine who could help maintain my interest in the series in the second season... somehow I can't expect a good version of Spock after what they did to Sarek.
Now, after the trailer I know - I will watch at least for the sake of Christopher Pike!
...
Last year, Anson Mount played Black Bolt in Inhumans. Role without words in the series with a rating of 10% on rottentomatoes. And he played great, squeezed out of the role as much as the flawed script clearly did not provide. Would love to see him in other roles... And here's a surprise!
In terms of continuity, I think this is the most successful recast since Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan Kenobi... In his performance, the smiling Pike looks like Greenwood's, the serious one looks like Hunter's. Still, the script would not have been weak, as in Inhumans.

And the new Pike's Number One is Librarians star Rebecca Romijn, but that's another story.

7/22 2018

 

[ScottJ85]

Can't speak for anyone else, but my favorable opinion of the show would be no different. The only thing that would have changed is how often I subscribed to CBS All Access before it became Paramount Plus, which would have been a lot more. Sorry, but Discovery and Picard's bad storytelling wasn't some backdoor help to my appreciation of Strange New Worlds. It's just hands down a better show that I look forward to each week, whereas Picard I had to slog to get thru and Discovery I gave up during Season 2.

And the complaint of "This new prequal show has a more modern look than TOS" was first done back in Enterprise, not Discovery. By the time we got to Discovery after the end of the JJ movies it was a tired, dead horse. You either accept the fact that a show made in the 2000s is going to look more modern than one made in the 60s or you don't.

I disagree about Discovery and Picard being bad storytelling, but I cant disagree with anything else there.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Already on Jammer's review forums and other locations, they're like, "I started to like it BUTTTttt..."

So, I fully expect the hate to eventually equal Discovery and Picard.

 

[ScottJ85]

Already on Jammer's review forums and other locations, they're like, "I started to like it BUTTTttt..."

So, I fully expect the hate to eventually equal Discovery and Picard.

Disappointing but not entirely unexpected.

 

[Roald]

Already on Jammer's review forums and other locations, they're like, "I started to like it BUTTTttt..."

So, I fully expect the hate to eventually equal Discovery and Picard.

There are some (there always are), but the general consensus still seems very positive I think, even in hell holes like Jammers comment sections… fact that it wasn’t review bombed on RT is indicative of the overall positive vibe the show still generates, and probably will remain to generate in the coming years…

 

[Charles Phipps]

There are some (there always are), but the general consensus still seems very positive I think, even in hell holes like Jammers comment sections… fact that it wasn’t review bombed on RT is indicative of the overall positive vibe the show still generates, and probably will remain to generate in the coming years…

My opinion on the review bombing is that means Strange New Worlds hasn't attracted the attention of the Alt Right yet for people of color, not the overall quality. Mind you, my opinion of the hatedom is not that it is composed of "true Star Trek fans" but a bunch of people waging the culture war. Gamergate, Sad Puppies, and the Star Wars sequel lunatics who harrass its stars off Twitter.

I say that as someone who has criticisms and understands people who don't like the new series. That's fine. There's plenty to criticise. I just think the hatedom comes from a much-much darker and nastier place. The review bombs are part of a larger narrative.

 

[Sci]

I think the broadly positive reaction to SNW is an indication that there's a certain segment of the fanbase that wants a very traditional ST paradigm that doesn't divert much from its formula.

Personally, I'm happy to see that we get a variety of ST creative styles -- from the highly-serialized, character-based stories of PIC, to the semi-serialized single-season-stories of DIS, to the episodic comedy of LD, to the childhood adventure of PROD, to the episodic old-school feel of SNW. Having lots of very different styles helps prevent franchise fatigue in this new era of extraordinary ST output, I think.