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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x04 - "Memento Mori"

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KamenRiderBlade said:
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Trek fans are FAMOUS for caring about continuity. So OF COURSE there will be direct comparisons. There will always be continuity errors. There will always be fans pointing those out.

This one is pointing it out without making a 10-min video out of it, no angry voice over, no commentary. It's straight to the point. I like that. I find it kind of amusing.
 
Richard S. Ta said:
No it's not.

It's because that's what those making the show thought a 23rd-Century computer might sound like in the 1960s.

And they were wrong.

Alexa/Siri don't speak in a monosyllabic monotone or go chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka when you ask them where the nearest ATM is.
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Why would Alexa go chunk chunka chunka. She isn't calculating or thinking like the Enterprise computer did. When the computer said working and it made the chunka sound it was to let the user know that it was thinking and calculating. Sort of like a audio status bar.
 
Belz... said:
Let's give Pubert a possible out, here: maybe by TOS' time they quite have the ability to have computers speak naturally, but choose not to for one reason or another.
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Yes I remember that episode. The computer sounded completely human and Kirk didn't like it. So the mechanical sound might have been a preference not an outdated reason.
 
cooleddie74 said:
I can know I'll die in 10 years and still act very aggressively and impulsively in the moment. Human behavior isn't always a predictable thing and I like that he's still being reckless and feeling as if his life is on the line even if we know it isn't.
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This all goes back to Pike's character arc. His whole arc is an exploration of the concept of fate, a juxtaposition of fate versus free will. It's not that the future is sealed, fixed and rigid. It's the idea that with his particular character and nature he is always going to do the things that will lead him to that particular fate. So his fate is sealed, not because time is fixed and rigid, but because his moral character will not allow him to make the decisions that could avoid his fate. In a sense, his free will is what causes his ultimate fate. It seems to me, and I could be wrong, that this is what the writers are trying to say.
 
Pubert said:
Why would Alexa go chunk chunka chunka. She isn't calculating or thinking like the Enterprise computer did. When the computer said working and it made the chunka sound it was to let the user know that it was thinking and calculating. Sort of like a audio status bar.
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Wrong again. With Alexa, Google, Bixby, and Siri, the user's query is being parsed and analysed; data is being indexed, retrieved, and formatted; and the information is delivered to the user. Just like the Enterprise's computer would have to do it. All with no rattling and clanking of antiquated relays and magnetic core memory like the good old days.
 
ananta said:
Um, no, it’s not a perfectly legitimate complaint. You’re writing a show set hundreds of years in the future, it’s a good idea not to use colloquialisms and phrases that are too much of the moment, haven’t been around long and likely won’t be. I mean, would you like them to incorporate modern day memes into the dialogue too? It’s easily avoided, too, without being stilted. When I hear a character cry “for the win!” it drags me right out of the scene.
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Exactly so! You made your point well.
 
Trekker4747 said:
In the realm of language barriers.

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I'm a Boomer and I pretty much got the gist of what she wanted right away.

Her laptop/PC/Phone (that is a bit vague) isn't up to snuff and it caused her to have a problem while using it the night before.
She wants a new one. (since she didn't bring it in with her, I've assumed she didn't want it repaired)
I'm also kinda assuming that she is Australian rather than British?
:shrug:
 
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DaveyNY said:
I'm a Boomer and I pretty much got the gist of what she wanted right away.

Her laptop/PC/Phone (that is a bit vague) isn't up to snuff and it caused her to have a problem while using it the night before.
She want a new one. (since she didn't bring it in with her, I've assumed she didn't want it repaired) (I'm kinda assuming that she Australian rather than British?):shrug:
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This comedy/sketch troop is in New Zealand. They do some great stuff, the Bored sketches (what this one is from), Epic NPC Man and the PUBG skits. I've never even played and those make me laugh.
 
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ananta said:
What’s with the aggression? Of all the complaints I’ve seen on the board over the years I hardly think the consideration of linguistics in different time periods qualifies as “absurd”. In fact, I think it would make an interesting thread topic in itself.

Something 90’s Trek did well, especially DS9, which I think was overall the best written, was its refined use of language—and it wasn’t at all stilted to me. In fact, I think the dialogue was generally better written than NuTrek and sometimes even quite beautifully so. It was considerately constructed and felt timeless in a way it wouldn’t should the writers start slipping in Gen Z idioms and phrases. I’m not saying it’s a big problem, but it’s still something I think the writers should watch. Why this is such a controversial statement I have no idea.
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He was burned by Berman Trek. Back then he started being a TNG apologist in the hopes of impressing the right people and become a staff writer. He wanted to take the route of Ron Moore and others who went from the slush pile to staff positions. When that didn't pan out, he felt personally wronged and is now anti that era. So, he's trashing that era and lashing out at anyone who says anything positive about it even if it doesn't make sense.

I do agree with your point that there is way to avoid current idioms and not sound stilted. In fact, shows can even create their own dialects to good effect. Earlier in this thread I point out The Expanse as an example. But there are others. But it emphasizes your point that it can be an effective tool.
 
Mr Awe said:
He was burned by Berman Trek. Back then he started being a TNG apologist in the hopes of impressing the right people and become a staff writer. He wanted to take the route of Ron Moore and others who went from the slush pile to staff positions. When that didn't pan out, he felt personally wronged and is now anti that era. So, he's trashing that era and lashing out at anyone who says anything positive about it even if it doesn't make sense.
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So he's got a dark past. I guess it creates drama.
 
Belz... said:
Let's give Pubert a possible out, here: maybe by TOS' time they quite have the ability to have computers speak naturally, but choose not to for one reason or another.
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Maybe it would be nostalgia for previous generations of computers in TOS' past? And, it would actually be cool to have Siri speak like the TOS computer! Someone needs to make that an option!
 
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