What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Shawn Clement]

You can't ditch people's memories or attachment to something, or desire to see what happens next instead of what could've happened instead.

Certainly, people aren't going to erase their memories. At the same time they erased the inconsistencies easily enough. When the Enterprise encountered a planet in the wrong quadrant or home world of a different species. I'm saying that there were so many issues that canon for one group was not so much for another. Had things been consistent and more depth provided fine. As of now, Star Trek is a new world and if something isn't the same as it was in the 1970s so be it. Never is a long time, I stand by my comment.

OH.. One more 4. Human colonization is the equivalent of a military invasion. It was their migration that caused a lot of the problems.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Not THAT bad:

"Sub Rosa", and "The Outrageous Okona".

Actually pretty good:

"Star Trek: Insurrection."

Firmly #2 on my TNG movie ladder. Not a high bar, I know.

 

[cooleddie74]

INS is better than NEM or STID.

 

[Oddish]

If I wasn't firmly in the "needs of the many" camp, I'd probably like Insurrection more than I do. It's got so much good stuff: Picard and Worf doing Pinafore, Picard mambo-ing, things getting hot between Riker and Troi, Data learning about childhood, and Geordi seeing his first sunrise.

 

[Farscape One]

INS is better than NEM or STID.

Better than BOTH of them.

 

[Vger23]

If I wasn't firmly in the "needs of the many" camp, I'd probably like Insurrection more than I do. It's got so much good stuff: Picard and Worf doing Pinafore, Picard mambo-ing, things getting hot between Riker and Troi, Data learning about childhood, and Geordi seeing his first sunrise.

Aside from Geordi seeing the sunrise….all of this is soooooo absolutely embarrassingly terrible.

This would be like me saying that I like Star Trek V (which I do) and then saying that it has “good stuff like Uhura fan dancing naked, Scotty knocking himself out in a beam, and those two characters getting hot with each other. “

 

[Oddish]

Aside from Geordi seeing the sunrise….all of this is soooooo absolutely embarrassingly terrible.

Ok for you to feel that way. I liked "Shades of Gray", after all.

 

[gweeps]

I want another Berman series. Or Braga. Or somebody related to the era between 1987-2005.

 

[Guy Gardener]

1. McCoy took account of how much of a drunk everyone was on the Enterprise, and then kept growing them extra kidneys and livers until they were not impaired despite how much they liked to drink.

2. Kirk didn't actually get fat. Bit by bit, eventually, by the end, James T. Kirk had 17 livers.

 

[Vger23]

I want another Berman series. Or Braga. Or somebody related to the era between 1987-2005.

There are already 624 episodes from that era.

624 is enough episodes of anything.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I want another Berman series. Or Braga. Or somebody related to the era between 1987-2005.

Jeri Taylor has supreme command over her son.

Imagine a show called "Taurik loves Vorik" that charts their life and love together as officers on Space Dock in orbit of Earth as they repair fucked up hero ships that have been in the shit.

 

[fireproof78]

There are already 624 episodes from that era.

624 is enough episodes of anything.

My feelings as well. Clicking it on during that era pretty much was a feeling of the same thing over again. If I want to see it again I have 624 to pick from.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I want another Berman series. Or Braga. Or somebody related to the era between 1987-2005.

Oh God, please no. I had more than enough Berma-Trek to last a lifetime.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I want another Berman series. Or Braga. Or somebody related to the era between 1987-2005.

They could bring the entire old writers, directors and casts together and it wont be as good as you remember the old stuff being. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

 

[Farscape One]

Particularly when a lot of your childhood was immersed in it.

 

[gweeps]

Part of the issues with most post-ENT series are the filming styles. Less models, more CGI, use of more cinematic tricks, heavy reliance on serialized, smaller seasons which squeezes out character and plot nuance.

Not simply a case of "nostalgia". Things changed in TV land, and not all for the better.

 

[fireproof78]

They could bring the entire old writers, directors and casts together and it wont be as good as you remember the old stuff being. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

I kind of want them to try just to see the recognition of that fact.

A friend of mine once described it like a band getting back together and people asking "Will these be like your early music/albums." The answer to that is no, because the musicians will have changed since making those albums. Their knowledge will change, their abilities will change, their focus will change. It all adds up to a different take on the music.

Part of the issues with most post-ENT series are the filming styles. Less models, more CGI, use of more cinematic tricks, heavy reliance on serialized, smaller seasons which squeezes out character and plot nuance.

Not simply a case of "nostalgia". Things changed in TV land, and not all for the better.

Aside from "better" I generally agree. There is a different style to TV, one that is more apparent in more modern shows, and not just Star Trek. My wife and I enjoy a good variety of older and newer, and the difference is apparently, largely because there is a different focus. Things are expected to all hang together in a certain way. It's funny to watch older shows because in them there is a large repetition of themes for the characters, vs. modern shows which is all about challenging the characters in some way.

 

[Paul755]

Oh God, please no. I had more than enough Berma-Trek to last a lifetime.

I would take a Ronald D. Moore run Trek show in a heartbeat. It’s a shame he wasn’t tapped to run CBSAA/P+ Trek from day 1 but I think he was still doing Outlander at Starz and now I think he’s a Disney (probably with Star Wars) guy.

 

[fireproof78]

I would take a Ronald D. Moore run Trek show in a heartbeat. It’s a shame he wasn’t tapped to run CBSAA/P+ Trek from day 1 but I think he was still doing Outlander at Starz and now I think he’s a Disney (probably with Star Wars) guy.

No Star Wars. He's got Swiss Family Robinson on his IMDB, plus For All Mankind.

 

[Paul755]

No Star Wars. He's got Swiss Family Robinson on his IMDB, plus For All Mankind.

there you go, I knew it was something space related.

In any case, I’d trust both him and Ira Stephen Behr to run a nu-Trek show and they both came from the Berman era.