Ah, so we're not allowed to be nuanced. Gotcha.
Ncuti Gatwa is the 15th Doctor
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There is no nuance to be had here without arbitrarily manufacturing different standards for why River's relationship with the Doctor is okay whereas their reciprocal attraction towards Rose and Yaz isnt.
I just showed you a perfectly reasonable middle ground. There's nothing inherently wrong with dating someone younger than you, or older than you.
It's when the relative life experiences, and the relative age gap, are so vastly different that it becomes "creepy"
But it's not arbitrary. Just because you call it that doesn't make it so. Jedman67 has repeatedly described a logical explanation. That in itself is not arbitrary.
So if I were to reword that slightly? "Objecting to a 50 year old man feeling reciprocal attraction towards a 12 year old and a 15 year old but not towards a 21 year old is hypocritical, IMO, because it's manufacturing arbitrary standards that are being selectively applied." that's ok?
The 11th Doctor is objectively around five times older than River.
The 9th Doctor is objectively around 47 times older than Rose
The 13th Doctor is objectively around 58 times older than Yaz
These are very approximate calculations. Likely 11 might be a few more than five times older than River, and you could argue it's creepy even with River, but if it is creepy with River it's so much worse with anyone else (other than another Timelord).
13 is over 2 billion years old. Mentally. They remembered every cycle in the Confession Dial.
Even if you don't go with that, 12 was explicitly stated to be over 2000 in his first ep.
The creep factor is there because we view it sexually. The Doctor likely doesn't, instead being attracted to spirit and personality, which are less age-dependent. If anything, the love of other very long-lived beings is likely something they would NOT seek because of the tendency to be jaded. River had the novelty of being out of sequence.
Probably the only relationship most folk here sound like they'd be OK with (Romana being out of the picture) is Jack.
Even if you don't go with that, 12 was explicitly stated to be over 2000 in his first ep.
The creep factor is there because we view it sexually. The Doctor likely doesn't, instead being attracted to spirit and personality, which are less age-dependent. If anything, the love of other very long-lived beings is likely something they would NOT seek because of the tendency to be jaded. River had the novelty of being out of sequence.
Probably the only relationship most folk here sound like they'd be OK with (Romana being out of the picture) is Jack.
You're trying to compare vastly different scenarios that have absolutely no correlation with one another.
In the scenarios you're trying to twist my words towards, the objections would be both legally and morally valid almost universally because they lack the standard of consent.
On the other hand, objecting to a consenting relationship between a 70-year-old person and a 20-year-old person but not objecting to a consenting relationship between said 70-year-old person and a 40-year-old person would be hypocritical because you're not holding said relationships to the same standards.
This thread has gone way off-topic, though, so let's move on.
I'd dig that one. Jack being a time traveler and immortal would put him a lot closer than any of the human companions.
I apparently have not opined in this thread yet! Though I don't have much that's insightful. I know basically nothing about Ncuti Gatwa but, as others have noted, that's certainly not unique. I didn't know anything about David Tennant or Matt Smith before they became the Doctor either. Based on the positive reactions I'm seeing from many corners, I'm optimistic that this will be good.
I think this sums him up nicely. Just a class act all round.
https://twitter.com/BadWolfArchives/status/1524343721881387008
A 40 year old person has way more life experience than a 20 year old, even before you factor in that a person's brain is still forming well into their twenties, there's an argument that some people's brains aren't fully formed until they're thirty.
But anyway. In your scenario it's like comparing Patrick Stewart and his wife with James Wood and his latest girlfriend. Both legal but one of them's definitely ickier than the other.
And just what is the standard of consent between a 1000 year old alien who's near immortal, whose species has invented time travel and such control over dimensions that they can create spaces bigger on the inside, with a 19 year old human who's good at gymnastics and likes chips?
You might as well suggest a chimp can consent to a relationship with a human being.
I really hope RTD lets him use his own accent, I just love listening to him speak.
Same here. I'm always for original accents. I don't care if the "average" viewer or us lame yanks can't understand. I wish Tennant had kept his original accent and part of The Seventh Doctor's charm was his delightful accent.
"Have an OBE." "No thanks I'm trying to give them up."
My feeling is that the Doctor is post-sexual. Been there, did that, as young Hartnell.
Bah. My friend Molly was close to getting her novel Bad Timing done as a film when TTW got in the way...
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