He was imprisoned during those events.
Missed Opportunities That Need Rectified...
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I get that, but maybe I'm misremembering but I thought Q's solution after Quinn's death to have a child basically ignored Amanda's impact upon the Continuum at all. It's all very confusing.
Yeah it is, especially considering she was half-human.
Oh well. Voyager was never a bastion of continuity.
"reset button on meth"
With DS9 being serialized, it looks that they went 180 and tried to be like TNG again - as an attempt to increase ratings (brand was popular, but losing viewers, and serialized storytelling as such as definitely new... that's my perception, could easily be wrong...
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Well there's this:
And the whole plot of the Q and the Grey hanging on Q creating his own, unholy groin spawn, when Amanda should have been readily available as a fresh, new Q who could lead the tribe into the next century.
They're not a tribe.
But I get what you're saying.
Its possible that Amanda was something of an oddity for the Continuum and may have been shunned. Aka, she's still a Q and all, monitored more or less, but otherwise, not necessarily seen as a full Q because her parents decided to turn human and have her like that.
Remember that Amanda's parents were executed by the Continuum for what they did...so Amanda could be a 'sore topic' in the Continuum (which doesn't make much sense for such evolved beings... but then again, they did have a civil war due to Quinn's death, so, yeah).
Or wait... what if Amanda was one of the casualties of the civil war?
That was just a bit of sarcastic humour. Especially since I don't understand how having a baby was supposed to solve all of the Q's problems.
The whole episode and its concept just were terrible, in my opinion.
Janeway had a similar question:
JANEWAY: I don't see how a baby is going to end a war being fought by a race of omnipotent beings.
Q: It's simple. Mating will create a new breed of Q, which will combine my omnipotence and infinite intellect with the best that humanity has to offer.
JANEWAY: You believe human DNA is going to restore peace?
Q: Precisely. What the Continuum needs right now is an infusion of fresh blood, a new sensibility, a new leader, a new messiah. Think of it, Kathy. Our child will be like a precious stone tossed into the cosmic lake, sending endless ripples of human conscience and compassion to wash up on every distant shore of the universe. What greater contribution could a being of your limited power ever hope to make? What is more important to humanity than peace? I'm offering you the opportunity to be the mother of peace.
As it was mentioned above, Amanda Rogers may have fit the bill so to say in this regard... but, is it possible that she was one of the first casualties of the Q Civil War and also shunned by the Continuum given her origins?
It took quite a bit of convincing for Q not to kill her (obviously), and Q even suggested at some point she's neither Q or a Human... and was 'disgusted' by the notion she could be something in between.
I don't understand this fetish for some writers to have their caracters being one thing or the other. Why can't a person be something in between?
Especially when you consider the fact that there's Torres who's a Klingon/Human hybrid... or Worf who was born a Klingon but grew up in the UFP and alternated for a while between the two, but in DS9 he acknowledged he lived in UFP for too long so he considered his brother request as 'murder'.
Rodenberry (or should I say, the underlying issue that UFP is an open and accepting society) wouldn't have an issue with individuals who cannot define themselves clearly and would be perfectly fine with people being 'something in between'.
So, why couldn't the Q get over this idea?
If I remember something from when Quinn comitted suicide ('Death Wish')... he often spoke about 'purity of the Q' and how he even celebrated what they were, and then started questioning the Continuum in ever increasing quantities (for which he was imprisoned).
I guess the Continuum lost a few things on their evolutionary path - maybe its some of those things that Q interested in UFP and Humanity... and specifically Picard (though, some would say Q fell in love with him).
Understandable that the Q Continuum stagnated. Maybe they had purpose at one point, but exhausted their ideas for furthering such goals? So while it feels humanish to think of an apparently omnipotent race needing to still accomplish something, it makes sense. Apparently, even God the Father neess to see His children grow and progress.Janeway had a similar question:
JANEWAY: I don't see how a baby is going to end a war being fought by a race of omnipotent beings.
Q: It's simple. Mating will create a new breed of Q, which will combine my omnipotence and infinite intellect with the best that humanity has to offer.
JANEWAY: You believe human DNA is going to restore peace?
Q: Precisely. What the Continuum needs right now is an infusion of fresh blood, a new sensibility, a new leader, a new messiah. Think of it, Kathy. Our child will be like a precious stone tossed into the cosmic lake, sending endless ripples of human conscience and compassion to wash up on every distant shore of the universe. What greater contribution could a being of your limited power ever hope to make? What is more important to humanity than peace? I'm offering you the opportunity to be the mother of peace.
As it was mentioned above, Amanda Rogers may have fit the bill so to say in this regard... but, is it possible that she was one of the first casualties of the Q Civil War and also shunned by the Continuum given her origins?
It took quite a bit of convincing for Q not to kill her (obviously), and Q even suggested at some point she's neither Q or a Human... and was 'disgusted' by the notion she could be something in between.
I don't understand this fetish for some writers to have their caracters being one thing or the other. Why can't a person be something in between?
Especially when you consider the fact that there's Torres who's a Klingon/Human hybrid... or Worf who was born a Klingon but grew up in the UFP and alternated for a while between the two, but in DS9 he acknowledged he lived in UFP for too long so he considered his brother request as 'murder'.
Rodenberry (or should I say, the underlying issue that UFP is an open and accepting society) wouldn't have an issue with individuals who cannot define themselves clearly and would be perfectly fine with people being 'something in between'.
So, why couldn't the Q get over this idea?
If I remember something from when Quinn comitted suicide ('Death Wish')... he often spoke about 'purity of the Q' and how he even celebrated what they were, and then started questioning the Continuum in ever increasing quantities (for which he was imprisoned).
I guess the Continuum lost a few things on their evolutionary path - maybe its some of those things that Q interested in UFP and Humanity... and specifically Picard (though, some would say Q fell in love with him).
And I really do want a canon followup to Amanda Rogers.
Maybe she could appear on Discovery, season 5, having been spared whatever happened to the rest of the Q because of her unique biology?
Well, we don't know that anything happened to the Q Continuum that she'd need to be spared from. We just know Q "died" in 2401 (though he can time travel so who knows how old he was), and that the Federation hadn't heard from the Continuum after the 26th century.
I refuse to believe he's actually dead. He just "moved on", whatever that means. Plus, we never saw him disappear, although that bit of white screen fading into the Stargazer might've been it? Also, we saw him duplicate himself in Voy's 'Death Wish' - or maybe he took a version of himself from another universe?
"Voyager's" premise. Should've been a more serialized show like DS9, shouldn't have put the Maquis on Starfleet uniforms so fast, etc.
"Enterprise" at least trying to be a serious attempt at a prequel from the start, rather than Playboy in Space. And keep with "Star Trek's" traditional progressive tines and diversity. That lowest bar of token Black guy and token Asian chick who both have the lowest ranks was never "Star Trek's" style. Also, Phlox should've been a Tellerite.
"Discovery" not trying to be a prequel. The "Andromeda"-like plotline shouldve been the original premise. Have the characters come from the TNG/VOY era, to the 32nd Century, and male rebuilding the Federation the show's premise. Forget about making the main character related to Spock.
DS9, having Ezri and Jadzia interact, via the Trill ghost ritual, or a dream or whatnot. Terry Farrell said she'd do a recurring role, so why didn't they let her?
And "Lower Decks" not making more fun of "Enterprise." It's the lowest hanging fruit in the franchise! They'll make fun of the dolphins from TNG and "Threshold" from VOY, but not one reference to the Decontamination Chamber, or the horny dog funeral? Or the Archer's memorable curse upon the aliens who made his beagle sick?
"Enterprise" at least trying to be a serious attempt at a prequel from the start, rather than Playboy in Space. And keep with "Star Trek's" traditional progressive tines and diversity. That lowest bar of token Black guy and token Asian chick who both have the lowest ranks was never "Star Trek's" style. Also, Phlox should've been a Tellerite.
"Discovery" not trying to be a prequel. The "Andromeda"-like plotline shouldve been the original premise. Have the characters come from the TNG/VOY era, to the 32nd Century, and male rebuilding the Federation the show's premise. Forget about making the main character related to Spock.
DS9, having Ezri and Jadzia interact, via the Trill ghost ritual, or a dream or whatnot. Terry Farrell said she'd do a recurring role, so why didn't they let her?
And "Lower Decks" not making more fun of "Enterprise." It's the lowest hanging fruit in the franchise! They'll make fun of the dolphins from TNG and "Threshold" from VOY, but not one reference to the Decontamination Chamber, or the horny dog funeral? Or the Archer's memorable curse upon the aliens who made his beagle sick?
With DS9 being serialized, it looks that they went 180 and tried to be like TNG again - as an attempt to increase ratings (brand was popular, but losing viewers, and serialized storytelling as such as definitely new... that's my perception, could easily be wrong...
They were presumably trying to produce a show that would generate more ratings, not necessarily a better show.
It's most likely also why they didn't feature any LGBT+ cast members.
Unholy finger spawn.
But the scenes between an overly amorous Q as completely uninterested Janeway were pretty frickin' funny.
The Q continuum are like the Greek pantheon... immortal beings of great power who acted like ordinary humans.
Voyager made a lot of boneheaded mistakes. Given that its powers that be didn't even know that an ensign is supposed to make lieutenant, perhaps that's no surprise.
With the exact same tech and weapons as TNG used 200y later.
Until this week, there was no LD episode featuring DS9. Now, there is. I expect Enterprise will get skewered soon enough.
Oh they knew. Garrett Wang is on record saying that one of the writers/producers told him, "Somebody's gotta be the Ensign".
Lately I'd been saying "they couldn't even count to 38" instead, but it was starting to get old.
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