Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x10 - "Farewell"

[Mr Awe]

I thought this was a bit of a mess. Was this timeline change by q and the subsequent adventures it caused the only way in all timelines Picard could get over his guilt ?

The Wesley thing came out of nowhere and he just seemed to be channeling his ready room excitement. It felt really off. There was no point to the kore story. And what’s with the new threat that was introduced 5 minutes before the end of the season?

How did Talinn know Soong was going to attempt to kill Renee in person and not just send drones directly or something. It all just felt quick and convenient.

I’m inclined to give this a 4 - maybe a 5 to be generous - but I’m gonna sleep on it and maybe give it a rewatch over the weekend.

I pretty much had those same concerns as well. It certainly was a thoroughly convoluted way for Q to get Picard over his guilt. That doesn't make sense. The writers clearly had difficulty figuring out who caused the initial timeline change. Was it Q or the BQ? Seemed like Q, but it wasn't as he lost his powers. He just transported them to the Confederacy. And why would he want that timeline anyway? Was it the BQ? She didn't get far with Soong.

Murky!

Agree on the other points as well. As a finale, it barely tied things together.

 

[Tuskin38]

rebuilt the Borg transconduit

This wasn't Borg, the Queen didn't even know what it was.

 

[Charles Phipps]

uh, no?
This wasn't Borg, the Queen didn't even know what it was.

There's a big conduit that's there. The Borg are using it.

Hence Borg conduit.

It represents a new era of exploration.

I pretty much had those same concerns as well. It certainly was a thoroughly convoluted way for Q to get Picard over his guilt. That doesn't make sense. The writers clearly had difficulty figuring out who caused the initial timeline change. Was it Q or the BQ? Seemed like Q, but it wasn't as he lost his powers. He just transported them to the Confederacy. And why would he want that timeline anyway? Was it the BQ? She didn't get far with Soong.

Murky!

Agree on the other points as well. As a finale, it barely tied things together.

The show is very clear there's no timeline change at all. It's a predestination paradox.

Without Q's meddling, Rene Picard would have failed and Soong would have been made famous by using his solar shield to protect the environment.

Q actually got her on the ship and Soon thwarted.

Which is his sort of game.

 

[eschaton]

I don't think he cloned anyone. I think he created his daughters entirely from scratch. That was the point, to tell himself that he was a god.

The technobabble used around "somatic cells" was basically referencing the cloning method around Dolly the sheep. The implication was he took body cells from someone else and made them into an embryo.

 

[Tuskin38]

I pretty much had those same concerns as well. It certainly was a thoroughly convoluted way for Q to get Picard over his guilt. That doesn't make sense. The writers clearly had difficulty figuring out who caused the initial timeline change. Was it Q or the BQ? Seemed like Q, but it wasn't as he lost his powers. He just transported them to the Confederacy. And why would he want that timeline anyway? Was it the BQ? She didn't get far with Soong.

Murky!

Agree on the other points as well. As a finale, it barely tied things together.

Made sense to me after this episode. I suggest giving the season a rewatch down the line.
Might make more sense binged instead of weeks apart.

 

[Mr Awe]

Note that Q doing this saved a star sector from being destroyed, redeemed the Borg, rebuilt the Borg transconduit, and also made happy endings for a lot of individual people in Picard's life. It also is the predestination paradox that saved humanity's environment post-WW3.

So when he says it's small potatoes, he's lying his ass off.

Notably, it actually works in character because Q destroyed the Borg by introducing them to the Federation and traumatized pIcard by introducing him to the Borg. This bizarre circuitous route he took actually fixes most of the damage Q caused to everyone. Which justifies him taking such a non-linear (hehe) path.

Or, you can believe that writers didn't have it all figured out or consistent. Given this season, I'm going with that.

Shoot, Q even said there didn't have to be anything more than the life of one person, JL in this case. So, making it more than that just diminished that point, which I thought was awesome.

And, no, Q didn't work (down to counseling sessions with Renee and "hiring" Soong!) to produce the Confederation as a means of saving the sector, etc. That's nonsense. He was actively trying to prevent the entire Federation/Prime timeline.

 

[zenophite]

I thought this was a bit of a mess. .....

The Wesley thing came out of nowhere and he just seemed to be channeling his ready room excitement. It felt really off. There was no point to the kore story. And what’s with the new threat that was introduced 5 minutes before the end of the season?...

I had largely the same reaction to each of these points. Wheaton absolutely came across as having just popped out of his backroom interview show - he had exactly the same persona of slightly phony jittery exuberance that makes him so irritating to watch.

 

[Mr Awe]

Made sense to me after this episode. I suggest giving the season a rewatch down the line.
Might make more sense binged instead of weeks apart.

LOL, no, it really doesn't make sense. In fact, the more you think about it, the less sense it makes.

 

[Saul]

Good episode. It's just a shame that a lot of what lead up to it felt like filler.

Without Q's meddling, Rene Picard would have failed and Soong would have been made famous by using his solar shield to protect the environment.

That's not true according to what Q said to Picard. He mentions all other timelines in which he didn't interfere and the one he did interfere in had the Supervisor meet Rene face to face.

 

[zenophite]

LOL, no, it really doesn't make sense. In fact, the more you think about it, the less sense it makes.

Sadly, I find that's a consistent characteristic of current Trek.

 

[Roald]

Cannot phantom that people that sincerely love Trek would NOT be excited by seeing Wesley Crusher again... I literally got wet eyes when I saw it was him..!

All in all, I think PIC S2 is probably the most misunderstood Trek season of all time. Maybe in a decade or so people will re-evaluate the season as a whole, get what they were trying to do and go: wow, that was actually a damn good season!

I must accept that that time is not here. And as much as I love SNW, I'm afraid the riskier, out of the box-style seasons of DSC and PIC will make way for more safe, reserved, traditional Trek...

 

[Yistaan]

The technobabble used around "somatic cells" was basically referencing the cloning method around Dolly the sheep. The implication was he took body cells from someone else and made them into an embryo.

I think this might be an instance of sci fi writers using real science terminology without understanding the context, since the impression I got was that Kore and her sisters were created pretty much from scratch.

 

[firehawk12]

I guess we'll never know what happened to Q's family. lol

 

[fireproof78]

All in all, I think PIC S2 is probably the most misunderstood Trek season of all time. Maybe in a decade or so people will re-evaluate the season as a whole, get what they were trying to do and go: wow, that was actually a damn good season!

It seems that whatever good will be drowned in controversy. However, it sounds like it resonated with the people who needed it.

I must accept that that time is not here. And as much as I love SNW, I'm afraid the riskier, out of the box-style seasons of DSC and PIC will make way for more safe, reserved, traditional Trek...

That appears to be SNW's take, as well as the trend. I have a strong suspicion that safe has won the day.

 

[Mr Awe]

And so Picard Season 2 ends as it was for most of this season - mediocre.

As a season finale, I actually thought this was fine. While some people are complaining about unanswered threads, I thought it wrapped up things much, much neater than I thought was possible. Yes, in a lot of cases it was done with a single throwaway line of dialogue (like finally explaining why Renee's mission ended up being important) but a tremendous amount of stuff happened this episode to draw things to a close.

I agree entirely with your review. I was happily surprised that they tied so much up. Although, it was done in a fairly pedestrian, paint by numbers fashion. They did make the effort. The Q/Picard scenes were the highlight of this episode by far. Although, Q's motivations are extremely murky throughout. It's not the clearcut reason he gave Picard.

 

[Yistaan]

I guess we'll never know what happened to Q's family. lol

We might. Our timeline (and the regular Trek timeline) is not their timeline. They can appear anywhere at any point in the Trek timeline before their actual deaths.

 

[Tuskin38]

LOL, no, it really doesn't make sense. In fact, the more you think about it, the less sense it makes.

Then why does it make sense when I think about it? The series explained all you need to know to figure it out, the rest is up to you.

 

[Reanok]

I vote a 10 this is the endings I wanted for the story arcs for the Picard characters. I'm so glad Renee Picard survived and went on the Europa mission and Adam Soong had Karma bit him back big time .He deserved it. I'm glad Kore got a happy ending and boy I didn't expect Weasley to return and I'm glad Kore is going to be a time traveler. I'm happy Rios stayed with the doctor and and her son.And I liked the scenes with Picard and Q. And seeing Elnor come back I'm so happy about this and Agnes returning as the borg Queen was unexpected But I'm glad the way this season ended.And the ending scene with Raffi and Seven and Elnor in 10 forward was a nice touch and Picard and Laris too,

 

[FredH]

Nobody’s “won” over anybody else. With multiple shows going at the same time, they quite wisely take different approaches across different ones, which covers different people’s preferences. Same way that The Mandalorian isn’t a “blow against” the Sequel Trilogy, and Loki isn’t a takedown of MCU tentpoles. They’re covering different bases — which is fine!

 

[Mr Awe]

Btw... There was really no reason for Tallinn to die, other than the writers going, "we want to sacrifice herself 'cause that's more dramatic". Knowing he wanted to attack her (Renée), she could have simply knocked him out/ stunned him/ whatever.

Stun him and beam out with him using her transporter!