Could the thing that Renee finds on Io be another remnant of the Borg from their time travel incursion of "First Contact/Regeneration"?
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IIRC she discovers a microbe which she believes is intelligent. Finding some sort of "naked" nanoprobes would fit the bill. Though it begs the question why if humans discovered nanoprobes so early they hadn't reverse-engineered Borg tech.
I guess that would rule out any kind of Borg created nanoparticle then.
Oh well.
I hope you're right.
All that was said was it would push Soong to the sidelines.
Raffi told Seven to "Borg up". A rather callous way of asking for assistance.
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So, I know we've been talking about season 2, but I've been rewatching parts of season 1 and I have some questions:
How did the Romulan xB Ramdha know that Soji was the destroyer / a synth? Only thing I can think of is that she was aware of what "Jana" looked like from the Ibn Majid first contact mission with the synths, but it's not stated.
Why did the captain of the Ibn Majid listen to Commodore Oh and kill the synths? Was he just a horrible captain? I can't see any other captain we've seen on screen doing that..they'd contact starfleet high command to find out what the hell was going on. And why didn't Rios ever tell anyone what Oh ordered? How could Oh give this order and have it followed without anyone else in Starfleet knowing or caring?
How did Oh know Jana and her companion were synths? When first contact happened did they introduce themselves as synths? I don't recall it being stated in the dialogue. Why didn't Oh try to find out where the synths came from at that time so she could have the Romulans destroy them?
How did the Romulan xB Ramdha know that Soji was the destroyer / a synth? Only thing I can think of is that she was aware of what "Jana" looked like from the Ibn Majid first contact mission with the synths, but it's not stated.
Why did the captain of the Ibn Majid listen to Commodore Oh and kill the synths? Was he just a horrible captain? I can't see any other captain we've seen on screen doing that..they'd contact starfleet high command to find out what the hell was going on. And why didn't Rios ever tell anyone what Oh ordered? How could Oh give this order and have it followed without anyone else in Starfleet knowing or caring?
How did Oh know Jana and her companion were synths? When first contact happened did they introduce themselves as synths? I don't recall it being stated in the dialogue. Why didn't Oh try to find out where the synths came from at that time so she could have the Romulans destroy them?
Agnes's loneliness is so epic she's lonely in every universe (that is epic loneliness) brought on by relationship issues apparently (in this future you'd think they would have figured that out 
). I guess they don't do psych evaluations in this future since her undiagnosed issues has put the entire mission at risk.
Raffi is self described to be manipulative (I don't necessarily agree) but she has also shut off her emotions almost completely to deal what happened to Elnor and that's a bigger problem. That is not how you deal with that properly but it's a typical coping mechanism.
Picard saves the universe, saves everybody, a revered man, but sacrificed himself and his life for humanity partly because of childhood trauma. Also conveniently forgetting that he lived a whole complete life in the great TNG episode "Inner Light" so his whole relationship thing doesn't make a lot of sense. He also clearly caries guilt from being Locutus and his knowledge being forcibly used to kill so many people (or was it forced, we just assume it is, Picard knows something we don't maybe). This is why Picard's scene with Sisko on DS9 is still so powerful to this day since he had to literally face what was done. I am glad the writers picked up on that.
At least Chris seems to be balanced and confident and 7 of 9 has already has experience dealing with her Borg trauma and is maybe help Raffi through her issues. Soong has issues as well that came to the surface in episode 8.
I'd be fine with all of this (as I love shows being more character based than overly twisty plot based) but these characters are supposed to be evolved as this is Star Trek after all. They can show all the character issues but the writers should also show how to deal with them. Nobody on the show is calling out Raffi's obvious shutting down her emotions making her unhinged and her emotions uncontrolled, turning a character I really liked into somebody I don't like as much.
Show the viewers what these characters are actually fighting for, this ideal future of Star Trek where people can conquer their traumas or succumb to the dystopian Confederation future letting our issues put us down a bad path, or what's the point?
). I guess they don't do psych evaluations in this future since her undiagnosed issues has put the entire mission at risk. Raffi is self described to be manipulative (I don't necessarily agree) but she has also shut off her emotions almost completely to deal what happened to Elnor and that's a bigger problem. That is not how you deal with that properly but it's a typical coping mechanism.
Picard saves the universe, saves everybody, a revered man, but sacrificed himself and his life for humanity partly because of childhood trauma. Also conveniently forgetting that he lived a whole complete life in the great TNG episode "Inner Light" so his whole relationship thing doesn't make a lot of sense. He also clearly caries guilt from being Locutus and his knowledge being forcibly used to kill so many people (or was it forced, we just assume it is, Picard knows something we don't maybe). This is why Picard's scene with Sisko on DS9 is still so powerful to this day since he had to literally face what was done. I am glad the writers picked up on that.
At least Chris seems to be balanced and confident and 7 of 9 has already has experience dealing with her Borg trauma and is maybe help Raffi through her issues. Soong has issues as well that came to the surface in episode 8.
I'd be fine with all of this (as I love shows being more character based than overly twisty plot based) but these characters are supposed to be evolved as this is Star Trek after all. They can show all the character issues but the writers should also show how to deal with them. Nobody on the show is calling out Raffi's obvious shutting down her emotions making her unhinged and her emotions uncontrolled, turning a character I really liked into somebody I don't like as much.
Show the viewers what these characters are actually fighting for, this ideal future of Star Trek where people can conquer their traumas or succumb to the dystopian Confederation future letting our issues put us down a bad path, or what's the point?
I’m glad I’m not the only one who finds it extremely weird that the PIC writers seem to have chosen to ignore “The Inner Light” when it comes to the whole “relationship” storyline (despite actually using part of a song from the episode for the show’s theme in season 1).
They ARE aware of the episode, I’d never accuse them of not knowing about it, they’re just not using its potential for trauma and I’m confused as to why not, because it would play into the things they set up quite nicely. UNLESS they plan to bring it in later on… there is still season 3 and Sir Patrick has said that Jean-Luc will continue to wrestle with emotional things in season 3.
The only explanation I have to offer so far is that Jean-Luc never really talked about his Kataan experience to anyone and just buried it in his mind, like he buries a lot of stuff. That it’s too big a mess to talk to anyone about and that this is why not even Guinan seems to know about it (or want to mention it). Would be very in-character for him. I mean even when it is brought up again on TNG when he’s dating Daren she has to REALLY nudge him into even talking about the Ressikan flute, and he won’t go into details and it’s quite clear that this is a red line for him. It stands to reason that he keeps the experience strictly and tightly to himself because of course he would.
What I don’t understand is why they didn’t include the events from the episode in this PIC storyline - they constitute a whole trauma in themselves. The ONE time he allowed himself to have a family it was snatched away from him in the end at the blink of an eye and turned out to not be real. If that isn’t trauma I don’t know what is. I’ve always said that his innermost trauma is not what happened with the Borg and/or Gul Madred or whatever else he had to endure, it’s what happened in “Inner Light”. But, alas, I guess the writers of PIC felt differently. Nothing we can do about that.
That episode is THE Picard character episode so they should know about it. I strongly suspect that this sort of relationship storyline or concept (off the top of my head, Data, Geordi, Odo, Harry Kim and the writers just wanted to do it again without letting continuity stop them even though Picard lived a whole life and is 90 plus years old. I am being real nice not saying the obvious but in my opinion, there's no need for this on this show with that character. Hopefully they find a believable reason for Picard acting like this
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So,Star trek.
Yeah a long time Star Trek Producer/Writer thing because they think writing balanced characters is "boring" and too perfect.
They know about the episode, there’s no way they don’t. I guess they felt they didn’t need it for their current storyline because the current trauma they’re exploring goes back to his childhood. I still don’t understand why they didn’t incorporate “Inner Light” because it WOULD have made sense to do so by at least mentioning it, but, alas.
It makes an equal amount of sense that Jean-Luc would bury that experience even deeper than his childhood memories and never talk to anyone about it (it also never interfered with his Starfleet duties and he never had to “run away” from the relationship either so maybe this is why it is being ignored, it was something different in - literally - a different life). There comes a point where you just have too MUCH trauma on your plate and your only wish is to bury it all and never see it again (I am totally not speaking from experience… naaah).
Not Starfleet officers! They're perfect!
Picard just got his third new brain in as many months.
The Confederate hardware may have been more introspective than Alton Soon's golem, which was definitely more introspective than the flesh God and his mother gave him.
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