Tuvok was 109 in "Flashback(VOY)" and looked like a thirtysomething human.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x06 - "Two of One"
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in family they hint that Troi has been helpful in aiding Picard recovering from his borg experience. But yes, this isn’t an aspect the show often shows.
It’s not what they did, it’s how they did it. A jazz band following an impromptu singer? Sure, of course it’s possible and happens all the time. A band + brass section delivering a perfect harmonised arrangement with no scores and coming in all at the same time in the right key exactly? Not so much.
I just said I don’t think Picard was hitting on Talin, not that couples whose partners have decades of difference doesn’t exist.
works for me! A wizard queen did it.
What bugs me about relatively minor things like this that shake some of us out of the story is that they're so trivial to fix. A throw-away line or two would let us know that the writers were paying attention, too.
Jurati: How did we do that?!
BQ: I simply made sure the scheduled performer spent too long in the restroom.
Done. We could imply from that that the band was expecting a singer, and also likely that very song. That addresses why nobody balked at an unscheduled performance and how the band knew what to play.
(Alternately, a quick cut to a performer getting ready to leave her room only to find the door is locked. Cut back to Jurati singing. No words necessary.)
It's not even like they were pressed for time in this episode...
Before i start i must admit Brent Spiners acting was awesome when he comes back opens his collar and admits defeat. I can't stand Rafi she looks like a cheap h***ker from a 70 s bar with that awful frizzy hair.
PART ONE (PART TWO FOLLOWS SOON)
1) After a very long recap the show opens with Picard knocked out and bleeding on the floor. This, of course, raises concerns that the writers & producers seem to have forgotten that they turned the title hero into an android, and the notion that he'd be bleeding at all is stupid. And I'm going to guess that he was knocked out by something electrical as opposed to something of blunt force, but we shall see...
2) Writers acknowledge that Supervisor inexplicably looks like Laris, but don't attempt to explain why Supervisor looks like Laris. Also, a trivial thing here, but Supervisor doesn't pronounce "Laris" the way Picard does, thus her inflection is off, which would be strange given that's she's repeating a pronunciation that he'd be speaking.
3) Sure is convenient that Jurati, a security threat, was locked inside the very security control room that she needed to be. What might have happened to this master plan if the guards had chucked her into the broom closet until the police showed up...
4) Borg Queen mentions she "misses Locutus" and my question is, why? Did they have a personal relationship we don't know about? Does the show not realize that this isn't the same Queen that interacted with Picard before? Does this Queen not realize that Picard literally snapped the spine of a previous Queen, thus ending her?
5) Guards don't hear Jurati talking to herself despite being mere feet away.
6) Jurati pulls out another MacGuffin device (I don't even want to know where she kept it) that magically knocks out all humans in the room except her because... bad writing.
7) Presence of device on Jurati further proof that this highest of high tech security team is also portrayed to be as dumb as wood for not even frisking her so as to determine if she has a weapon on any kind. Seriously, why are all Star Trek characters written today to be so implausiblity stupid and derelict in their duties. It's so ridiculous that we are expected to accept such ineptitude from the people inhabiting this world.
8) Knocked out guards fall on their consoles only to then disappear from frame a second later after Jurati "pulls". Could they not have kept these actors around for another shot...?
9) Some bad editing between the time the guard scans Rios for a second time and when Jurati finally uploads his image into the console. Scan should have been immediate yet show makes it take what looked like another minute before Jurati could save the day.
10) Previous Rios scan shows a 60-year-old named Karl Leonard Kelley, a heart surgeon from El Paso. What I don't understand is what the hell happened to this guy? Did Picard's "plan" include a stealing the identity of this person? Is this person not already at the party? How did they even get this ID? Or right, another MacGuffin aka bad writing.
11) Cut now to Picard on a hospital bed, and no one amongst the crew seems to be concerned that the measurements of a futuristic android are being taken by 2024 medical staff. 12) Not Laris tells Picard that they live by a code that prohibits them from interfering with the subjects of their watching. How might Gary 7 feel about this...
12) Picard asks Not Laris, "And who is watching over you?" And despite this being a perfectly good question, it is played as a rhetorical one, and it goes unanswered...? 13) Conspicuous woman in red dress that security literally just apprehended moments ago is suddenly back on the dance floor and security doesn't seem to notice. Top tier, high tech security team is amazing at their jobs until show needs them not to be...
14) Nobody notices pretty woman in the red dress talking to herself or arguing with herself.
15) Credit where credit is due. At least the show finally acknowledged that Raffi is a drunk.
16) Raffi tells Rios that he's been on cloud 9 ever since meeting the pretty doctor. How does she even know that happened? How does she overlook the fact that she's been injured badly, locked up, threatened, electrocuted, and nearly deported to who knows where, but sure... cloud nine.
17) Raffi & Rios continue this ridiculous conversation as if the fate of the world isn't on their shoulders. Without previously showing us that he feels this way, show shoehorns in yet another B-story set up with Rios wanting to do anything other than be a responsible Starfleet captain.
18) Why is Seven holding court with these strangers over wine, all the while shooting the breeze instead of, you know, doing anything resembling saving the world.
19) Picard tells Not Laris that she's done "a good job" despite the fact that she's arguably done a horrible job of enabling Q to infiltrate her therapy sessions...
20) Why is Picard suggesting that Not Laris isn't ready to let Picard go? Dude, you just met her, she's been doing this for 20+ years, why do you presume to know what this situation needs? What happened to your "plan"? Didn't you inform Not Laris ahead of time that this is what you were going to do? 20) For a show as woke as this seems to be, it's surprising that the Borg Queen would equate Jurati getting physical attention from people as "showing her potential".
21) Jurati shares moments of insight into Rios' character that we are expected to accept at face value instead of appreciating the fact that the audience barely recalls one or two scenes they've shared together. At least Rios is trying to further to mission now.
22) Jurati kisses Rios, and because the show cannot go more than a couple minutes without a character emoting all over the scene we see Agnes scurry off as if her inaction might not derail this crucial mission and thus, end the divergence threatening the future of humanity in this stupid alternate timeline.
23) Europa board welcomes Dr. Soong...? Wasn't his license just revoked? Seems rather irresponsible. Then again, this is the same brass that enabled a depressed astronaut to get this far into this crucial space flight...
24) Why doesn't Soong merely tell Picard why he can't interfere with Renee dropping out? More importantly, why doesn't Picard insist on being told by Soong what's going on...?
25) Oh would you look at that, security knows how to be security again for no reason whatsoever. Mercy these story beats are terrible. Oh no, wait... security can't apprehend the 100-year old...
26) Cut to Picard getting external defibrillator shocks, despite the fact that sigh he's an android. So stupid. So, so, sooooo stupid.
27) "You can't push me like that." Conveniently nobody on the team hears Jurati talking to herself. This of course would be mute if Jurati simply had a voice over playing, that way we'd at least see her NOT talking out loud to herself.
28) Only after several minutes of hurt feelings and utter nonsense does Jurati acknowledge that she is jeopardizing the mission. A mission which cannot be overstated given that humanity is on the line and all...
29) Jurati turns the lights out to... oh my god what the actual fuck is happening. She is singing. Singing. How can someone who isn't 12 years old think this idea is acceptable. She's singing. As if she is wearing a mic. As if the band would suddenly know the song she's singing enough to miraculously accompany her. As if there was a guy on spotlight just waiting for this moment. As if the event coordinator associated with the venue wouldn't be freaking out right now. This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. I can't believe what's happened to my beloved franchise. This is kind of horse shit you'd see in Glee, not Star Trek.
30) Forget the magic pulse that witches off everything except the android. She's singing!
31) Forget the 100 year old android being able to slip passed the suddenly terrible again security team. She's... singing!! *Note, it was at this time I turned off this stupid, stupid show to go for a walk.*
32) Back again. Oh god the singing isn't even over yet. Fire everyone. Fire everyone associated with this absolutely mind-boggling stupidity.
(I like the song by the way)
33) Crackerjack security, despite the multiple perimeter breaches, doesn't alert Europa of anything. As a result, their prized astronaut is allowed to roam freely on her own. Literally someone could be attacking her as she hurts her hurt feelings all over the empty corridor.
34) No one associated with the crew so much as bats an eyelash at the musical stylings of Jurati because...
35) It turns out endorphins, not nanoprobes, is what enables a Borg to assume control of a host. Geez and after more than 30-years of watching them here I thought all those people being turned into drones were unhappy about it. Apparently resistance is futile when losing your freedom and life because part-time!!
36) Despite all eyes being on Ag-borg no one noticed the devilishly black orbs that her eyes become.
37) I'm sorry, but an old random man has a few choice (if uninspired) words and miraculously gets Renee feeling great again. 38) Picard escorts Renee back towards the security team that is looking for him. And despite "blocking all the exits" Picard and Renee are able to leave...?
39) Odd choice to have no one around as Picard & Renee leave the building, particularly since an overhead shot a minute ago showed loads of people outside. But whatever...
40) It's a night of miracles! Soong knew exactly when and where the Picards would exit! Wow that's awesome and not completely stupid whatsoever.
41) Despite being an android that could easily withstand the brunt of this slow moving vehicle, Picard is struck down.
42) Despite no one being around Rios and Not Laris miraculously show up mere seconds after Picard is hit by Soong.
43) Good thing the Europa Board doesn't care about Soong's) license being revoked or his questionable character or else this whole hit & run thing might get him in hot water...!
Continues below to part 2 SOON.
PART ONE (PART TWO FOLLOWS SOON)
1) After a very long recap the show opens with Picard knocked out and bleeding on the floor. This, of course, raises concerns that the writers & producers seem to have forgotten that they turned the title hero into an android, and the notion that he'd be bleeding at all is stupid. And I'm going to guess that he was knocked out by something electrical as opposed to something of blunt force, but we shall see...
2) Writers acknowledge that Supervisor inexplicably looks like Laris, but don't attempt to explain why Supervisor looks like Laris. Also, a trivial thing here, but Supervisor doesn't pronounce "Laris" the way Picard does, thus her inflection is off, which would be strange given that's she's repeating a pronunciation that he'd be speaking.
3) Sure is convenient that Jurati, a security threat, was locked inside the very security control room that she needed to be. What might have happened to this master plan if the guards had chucked her into the broom closet until the police showed up...
4) Borg Queen mentions she "misses Locutus" and my question is, why? Did they have a personal relationship we don't know about? Does the show not realize that this isn't the same Queen that interacted with Picard before? Does this Queen not realize that Picard literally snapped the spine of a previous Queen, thus ending her?
5) Guards don't hear Jurati talking to herself despite being mere feet away.
6) Jurati pulls out another MacGuffin device (I don't even want to know where she kept it) that magically knocks out all humans in the room except her because... bad writing.
7) Presence of device on Jurati further proof that this highest of high tech security team is also portrayed to be as dumb as wood for not even frisking her so as to determine if she has a weapon on any kind. Seriously, why are all Star Trek characters written today to be so implausiblity stupid and derelict in their duties. It's so ridiculous that we are expected to accept such ineptitude from the people inhabiting this world.
8) Knocked out guards fall on their consoles only to then disappear from frame a second later after Jurati "pulls". Could they not have kept these actors around for another shot...?
9) Some bad editing between the time the guard scans Rios for a second time and when Jurati finally uploads his image into the console. Scan should have been immediate yet show makes it take what looked like another minute before Jurati could save the day.
10) Previous Rios scan shows a 60-year-old named Karl Leonard Kelley, a heart surgeon from El Paso. What I don't understand is what the hell happened to this guy? Did Picard's "plan" include a stealing the identity of this person? Is this person not already at the party? How did they even get this ID? Or right, another MacGuffin aka bad writing.
11) Cut now to Picard on a hospital bed, and no one amongst the crew seems to be concerned that the measurements of a futuristic android are being taken by 2024 medical staff. 12) Not Laris tells Picard that they live by a code that prohibits them from interfering with the subjects of their watching. How might Gary 7 feel about this...
12) Picard asks Not Laris, "And who is watching over you?" And despite this being a perfectly good question, it is played as a rhetorical one, and it goes unanswered...? 13) Conspicuous woman in red dress that security literally just apprehended moments ago is suddenly back on the dance floor and security doesn't seem to notice. Top tier, high tech security team is amazing at their jobs until show needs them not to be...
14) Nobody notices pretty woman in the red dress talking to herself or arguing with herself.
15) Credit where credit is due. At least the show finally acknowledged that Raffi is a drunk.
16) Raffi tells Rios that he's been on cloud 9 ever since meeting the pretty doctor. How does she even know that happened? How does she overlook the fact that she's been injured badly, locked up, threatened, electrocuted, and nearly deported to who knows where, but sure... cloud nine.
17) Raffi & Rios continue this ridiculous conversation as if the fate of the world isn't on their shoulders. Without previously showing us that he feels this way, show shoehorns in yet another B-story set up with Rios wanting to do anything other than be a responsible Starfleet captain.
18) Why is Seven holding court with these strangers over wine, all the while shooting the breeze instead of, you know, doing anything resembling saving the world.
19) Picard tells Not Laris that she's done "a good job" despite the fact that she's arguably done a horrible job of enabling Q to infiltrate her therapy sessions...
20) Why is Picard suggesting that Not Laris isn't ready to let Picard go? Dude, you just met her, she's been doing this for 20+ years, why do you presume to know what this situation needs? What happened to your "plan"? Didn't you inform Not Laris ahead of time that this is what you were going to do? 20) For a show as woke as this seems to be, it's surprising that the Borg Queen would equate Jurati getting physical attention from people as "showing her potential".
21) Jurati shares moments of insight into Rios' character that we are expected to accept at face value instead of appreciating the fact that the audience barely recalls one or two scenes they've shared together. At least Rios is trying to further to mission now.
22) Jurati kisses Rios, and because the show cannot go more than a couple minutes without a character emoting all over the scene we see Agnes scurry off as if her inaction might not derail this crucial mission and thus, end the divergence threatening the future of humanity in this stupid alternate timeline.
23) Europa board welcomes Dr. Soong...? Wasn't his license just revoked? Seems rather irresponsible. Then again, this is the same brass that enabled a depressed astronaut to get this far into this crucial space flight...
24) Why doesn't Soong merely tell Picard why he can't interfere with Renee dropping out? More importantly, why doesn't Picard insist on being told by Soong what's going on...?
25) Oh would you look at that, security knows how to be security again for no reason whatsoever. Mercy these story beats are terrible. Oh no, wait... security can't apprehend the 100-year old...
26) Cut to Picard getting external defibrillator shocks, despite the fact that sigh he's an android. So stupid. So, so, sooooo stupid.
27) "You can't push me like that." Conveniently nobody on the team hears Jurati talking to herself. This of course would be mute if Jurati simply had a voice over playing, that way we'd at least see her NOT talking out loud to herself.
28) Only after several minutes of hurt feelings and utter nonsense does Jurati acknowledge that she is jeopardizing the mission. A mission which cannot be overstated given that humanity is on the line and all...
29) Jurati turns the lights out to... oh my god what the actual fuck is happening. She is singing. Singing. How can someone who isn't 12 years old think this idea is acceptable. She's singing. As if she is wearing a mic. As if the band would suddenly know the song she's singing enough to miraculously accompany her. As if there was a guy on spotlight just waiting for this moment. As if the event coordinator associated with the venue wouldn't be freaking out right now. This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. I can't believe what's happened to my beloved franchise. This is kind of horse shit you'd see in Glee, not Star Trek.
30) Forget the magic pulse that witches off everything except the android. She's singing!
31) Forget the 100 year old android being able to slip passed the suddenly terrible again security team. She's... singing!! *Note, it was at this time I turned off this stupid, stupid show to go for a walk.*
32) Back again. Oh god the singing isn't even over yet. Fire everyone. Fire everyone associated with this absolutely mind-boggling stupidity.
(I like the song by the way)
33) Crackerjack security, despite the multiple perimeter breaches, doesn't alert Europa of anything. As a result, their prized astronaut is allowed to roam freely on her own. Literally someone could be attacking her as she hurts her hurt feelings all over the empty corridor.
34) No one associated with the crew so much as bats an eyelash at the musical stylings of Jurati because...
35) It turns out endorphins, not nanoprobes, is what enables a Borg to assume control of a host. Geez and after more than 30-years of watching them here I thought all those people being turned into drones were unhappy about it. Apparently resistance is futile when losing your freedom and life because part-time!!
36) Despite all eyes being on Ag-borg no one noticed the devilishly black orbs that her eyes become.
37) I'm sorry, but an old random man has a few choice (if uninspired) words and miraculously gets Renee feeling great again. 38) Picard escorts Renee back towards the security team that is looking for him. And despite "blocking all the exits" Picard and Renee are able to leave...?
39) Odd choice to have no one around as Picard & Renee leave the building, particularly since an overhead shot a minute ago showed loads of people outside. But whatever...
40) It's a night of miracles! Soong knew exactly when and where the Picards would exit! Wow that's awesome and not completely stupid whatsoever.
41) Despite being an android that could easily withstand the brunt of this slow moving vehicle, Picard is struck down.
42) Despite no one being around Rios and Not Laris miraculously show up mere seconds after Picard is hit by Soong.
43) Good thing the Europa Board doesn't care about Soong's) license being revoked or his questionable character or else this whole hit & run thing might get him in hot water...!
Continues below to part 2 SOON.
Productions are always pressed for time.
Yeah they really could've done with something there to justify the band playing along, because that took me right out of the episode. It'd have to be something more than just delaying the singer though, because otherwise they could've caused the diversion themselves and Jurati wouldn't have had to do anything.
Picard is not an android.
He's a synth.
His new body is biologically indistinguishable from a normal human body, and is subject to the same limitations (i.e. no super strength or endurance or anything like that) as a human.
In every way that matters, Picard is still human.
He's a synth.
His new body is biologically indistinguishable from a normal human body, and is subject to the same limitations (i.e. no super strength or endurance or anything like that) as a human.
In every way that matters, Picard is still human.
The red dress and the Borg queen in her head is all extremely reminiscent of Ron Moore's fantastic Battlestar Galactica reboot. Unfortunately, it reminds me so much of that that it feels like yet another derivative aspect of this season of Picard and tempers my enjoyment of it.
43 is too much so I used a random number generator to narrow it down to five.
It's an ongoing story! They have different accents.
24th century doctors wouldn't have detected that he was an android. The only clue was the defibrillator malfunctioning and Rios was concerned about that.
Maybe it was all in her head, just like the image of the Borg Queen. Maybe they were being polite.
The Europa board loves money.
She literally has a Borg Queen trying to take over her body and soul, she's a bit distracted.
All we know about Picard's synth capabilities is that they didn't give him superpowers. Regardless he did survive being hit by a car, with fairly minimal injuries.
We have episode discussion threads for a reason. You get to play in the same sandbox as everyone else.
I love trippy Trek. At least we know that it leads to a TNG cast reunion next year. It’s a fun ride.
Maybe Q is the reason this is such a weird season, we don’t know the full story yet…
It could all be a Tapestry type scenario mixed in with All Good Things… and Glee?
Yes, lets talk about the black woman's hair and and compare her to a hooker. That'll go over well.
Sometimes all you have to do is see a person's username to figure out that they're full of it. Then you read their posts, and you know it for certain.
Raffi has African-American hair.
And that's '70s hooker hair...how again?
And that's '70s hooker hair...how again?
I imagine I would be struggling to stay with the show if not for the Pill/Wersching teamup.
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They are definitely the highlight of the season for me as well. I can't say that I would stop watching the show although, as you mention, it is at times a struggle to get through some of the current stuff they are producing. I'll watch pretty much all Star Trek at least once.
I was that way up until "Unification III", at that point, I just wasn't interested enough in Discovery to make that sacrifice anymore.
There you go thinking in three-dimensional terms again. Remember that the manifestation of the Queen in First Contact is different from the one retconned into "Best of Both Worlds." Picard notes that she died aboard the cube prior to the events of First Contact. I don't know why that scene is always forgotten about.
Once the Queen returns to a time prior to the divergence her memories/awareness align with the normal timeline.
Classy. Though I expect nothing less.
First time watching TV or movies?
