Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x06 - "Two of One"

[Yistaan]

Why would they? It's a party atmosphere, people have clearly been drinking, and a very attractive woman with a very good singing voice decides to do a jazzy, sultry version of a Pat Benatar song. The only thing they might be asking at the end is her phone number, and whether she likes jazz musicians (she likes scruffy pirate types, sorry friends).

I'm sure Trek fans have had a lot of Borg origin stories in mind for decades but who knew this is probably it?

 

[Tosk]

The flashback/flash forward format was a perfectly valid stylistic choice to do something a bit creative, a bit different. If they'd done it in TNG you would be praising it to high heaven.

Or Firefly? ("Out of Gas")

 

[fireproof78]

I do like the notion that somehow people have less of a problem with the realism of time travel than they do a band knowing how to play impromptu song numbers.

I find this point endlessly fascinating and hilarious.

 

[jackoverfull]

The only thing that stuck out to me in the episode was how it was going to be faster to get back to the party by exiting a side door and going back through security (sure it is).

Good point, but perhaps it’s not necessarily to queue to pass trough security again once you are in the system.

Just so they were available for Soong to hit with a car, when he had no way of knowing they would be outside.

yep, that was…extremely fortunate (for soong)!

Well, Jurati fixed him up and she's MIA, though they didn't mention that as an possible option

good point.

Since a person can technically live without it, as long as it was removed and the bleeding stopped, not sure how much advanced tech would be needed.

if they left him without a spleen, with all the medical implications it gives, I guess they messed up the timeline once again. Which they keep doing quite often unfortunately.

Ok, so it's impossible. On a SF show with time travel.

Oh well, if this is your attitude…

The band played on anyway.

Yeah, the scene was written that way.

It's entirely possible that that particular song was already part of the bands repertoire and they just picked up her voice cues to follow along.

Yes, but she would have needed to communicate with the band before and they would have needed to have the parts ready.

Also, it was very apparent that that band was mostly made up of brass lead instruments.
(plus, a big shindig like that doesn't hire a second rate group, they were obviously a well honed band)

true. As I said above, if this scene had been done with a different arrangement, that is without that splendid written brass arrangement, my only issue would basically have been with her singing without a microphone. And without being in the program (at an event like this a random woman does NOT start a song unannounced, security wouldn’t even let her get on the stage).

The Queen had blinking lights on the back of her head in Voyager.

yes, I just find these more annoying. Nothing terrible, anyway.

I've done a number of impromptu singing sessions with bands, and as long as the band is competent and works together (simple enough to say these people do both), and unless the song is very obscure (Pat Benatar is very well known even now), it's not that difficult to play along. I do like the notion that somehow people have less of a problem with the realism of time travel than they do a band knowing how to play impromptu song numbers.

the issue was that it wasn’t in any way impromptu: they had to have scores with written instrumentation.

 

[Yistaan]

First Contact Director's Cut Opening Scene of Zefram Cochrane screaming during warp--

Cochrane: Yes that's me, screaming my head off in space with two astronauts on some kind of star trek. You're probably wondering how I ended up here. Well, I was drowning my sorrows in a bar in the middle of the apocalyptic wasteland of post World War 3 when...


(also Borg Jurati's going after kid Cochrane or his parents now--depending on if they stick with his 2032 birth year-- right?)

 

[fireproof78]

if they left him without a spleen, with all the medical implications it gives, I guess they messed up the timeline once again. Which they keep doing quite often unfortunately.

"How do we know he didn't die next week?"

Time travel is one of those things that sadly becomes more broken the more I think about it.

Oh well, if this is your attitude…

Casually amused at impossibilities? Yes, that's my attitude. I don't disagree completely that it is improbable, though I would be hard pressed to say impossible.

 

[jackoverfull]

Casually amused at impossibilities? Yes, that's my attitude. I don't disagree completely that it is improbable, though I would be hard pressed to say impossible.

just give her a microphone and do a simpler arrangement and my musical reservations go away (the security ones don’t, but they’ve been playing loose with security issues for two episodes anyway). But no, they had to do that splendid over the top arrangement for some reason.

To me it’s as if Jurati suddenly came in, snapped her fingers and changed everyone into swimsuits.

 

[fireproof78]

just give her a microphone and do a simpler arrangement and my musical reservations go away (the security ones don’t, but they’ve been playing loose with security issues for two episodes anyway). But no, they had to do that splendid over the top arrangement for some reason.

To me it’s as if Jurati suddenly came in, snapped her fingers and changed everyone into swimsuits.

Fair enough.

 

[Yistaan]

It just occurred to me that the non-tech ways of Picard's father could be retconned as existing entirely so that no one could videotape him beating up Picard's mother.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Really loved everything about this episode except the XX minutes ago crap.It was way better than the usual costume episodes.Jurati seems to be the new Kim/O'Brien for the amount of torture she has to endure (or maybe LaForge as it seems to be brainwashing every time). Lovely Easter egg with the Barkley ear touch.
Speaking of costumes sorry for being a hornball but this episode had a lot of beautiful women in very sexy dresses. Also this very confused hornball thought Rios was exceptionally sexy in this episode too.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

the issue was that it wasn’t in any way impromptu: they had to have scores with written instrumentation.

Also is it not Trek CANON that blondes and jazz dont mix

 

[Kaelef]

I do like the notion that somehow people have less of a problem with the realism of time travel than they do a band knowing how to play impromptu song numbers.

If we set the level of realism bar simply to "a sci-fi show where time travel is possible", then absolutely anything goes. Picard could decide to become a wrestler and win the world cup the next episode, and we'd have to accept it because we're watching a show with time travel and faster-than-light space travel.

 

[Amaris]

If we set the level of realism bar simply to "a sci-fi show where time travel is possible", then absolutely anything goes. Picard could decide to become a wrestler and win the world cup the next episode, and we'd have to accept it because we're watching a show with time travel and faster-than-light space travel.

Well sure, if you remove every last bit of nuance from the statement and pretend that the context surrounding it doesn't exist, and that would just be silly, wouldn't it?

 

[Kaelef]

Well sure, if you remove every last bit of nuance from the statement and pretend that the context surrounding it doesn't exist, and that would just be silly, wouldn't it?

On this point we agree!

 

[Harpsichord]

Something is just going to happen in the next two years that makes Pat Benatar huge again is all. Probably they use her in Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 3 or something

 

[urbandefault]

just give her a microphone and do a simpler arrangement and my musical reservations go away (the security ones don’t, but they’ve been playing loose with security issues for two episodes anyway). But no, they had to do that splendid over the top arrangement for some reason.

To me it’s as if Jurati suddenly came in, snapped her fingers and changed everyone into swimsuits.

Frakes directed this one, right? Surely a horn player wouldn't let something like that get by? Maybe he'll explain it to everyone's satisfaction.

 

[Yistaan]

Rios stays in the 21st century.

Stargazer crew: Admiral, what happened to Captain Rios?

Picard: Good question. I'll search my PADD for any 21st century records that survived World War 3.

"Mentally ill illegal immigrant convicted of stalking medical doctor, deported and facing life of confinement in Mexican psychiatric institution"

Raffi: Told him so.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Rios stays in the 21st century.

Stargazer crew: Admiral, what happened to Captain Rios?

Picard: Good question. I'll search my PADD for any 21st century records that survived World War 3.

"Mentally Ill illegal immigrant convicted of stalking medical doctor, deported and facing life of confinement in Mexican psychiatric institution"

Raffi: Told him so.

Rios is the best thing to happen to Trek since Dr. T'ana so he better hang round for a spin off

 

[fireproof78]

Rios stays in the 21st century.

Stargazer crew: Admiral, what happened to Captain Rios?

Picard: Good question. I'll search my PADD for any 21st century records that survived World War 3.

"Mentally Ill illegal immigrant convicted of stalking medical doctor, deported and facing life of confinement in Mexican psychiatric institution"

Raffi: Told him so.

He will become a superhero known only as "The Musketeer!"

 

[jackoverfull]

If we set the level of realism bar simply to "a sci-fi show where time travel is possible", then absolutely anything goes. Picard could decide to become a wrestler and win the world cup the next episode, and we'd have to accept it because we're watching a show with time travel and faster-than-light space travel.

Pretty much.

Frakes directed this one, right? Surely a horn player wouldn't let something like that get by? Maybe he'll explain it to everyone's satisfaction.

is he a real player or only riker was, though? Because there were also several shots were the music played didn’t match what the players were doing…also, we have no way to know if the piece had already been recorded when they shot the scene, I’ve been in enough movies to know that shooting to a temporary track is far from unusual.