I'm starting to think that the point of divergence doesn't center around Renee's actions, but rather Soong's.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x06 - "Two of One"
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Yes to all of this, but Oh Gods, YES!!! to the bolded.Pros:
- Agnes and Queenie continue to be an absolute, marrow-chilling delight. Even if we don't get Pill back next season, she is making one hell of an impression on this one.
- Elnor in a tux. Ooo la-la!Can I get some BTS photos of that?
- Looks like Rios may actually choose to stay in the 21st century?! I am intrigued.
- JL and Renee's scene was really quite charming, though, like others, I begin to suspect she may actually be a red herring...
- I hate the Soong bros at this point, but damn, Spiner played a creepy bastard all too well.
Cons:
- Just over half an hour? Really? The finale episodes better be sixty minutes each, y'all.
- I am very much over the mystery of Picard's mother at this point.
- Also the mystery of Raffi's Elnor hallucinations. We've got four episodes left, and lord knows how many more of them are going to be bite-sized. Let's get some momentum going.
- I like how Ryan and Hurd bounce off of each other, but can we get a few more scenes where they seem to at least like each other? The one with Raffi being sweet on Seven from afar just reminded me of how little we've seen of that.
Enjoyed it overall, but it really did feel like it cut off before anything actually happened. Still too much set-up, not enough meat.
Was I imagining things or did we see a fleeting memory of Picard watching his mother going through a doorway, while holding a small child. As it seemed to be from the perspective of the boy standing behind them, it implies the small child in his mother isn't Jean-Luc, but a younger sibling we never heard of...?
Yea, that seemed abrupt. And how did the others know she went into quarantine if they went to help Picard right away? Seemed like a scene of Rios telling Renee that they were Picard's friends and he would be fine would have made sense here. So Renee is extremely depressed and is going to call off the mission, someone nice speaks to her and she changes her mind, she sees this nice man get run over, she continues to the party and then immediately goes into quarantine,
Maybe it's both. Q was trying to stop Renee from going into space for a reason I would think.
There was some weird shit in those visions, including someone with demonic-looking horns. I don't think we can trust them as being 100% accurate.
I give this a 7. The lowest episode of the season for me is still the young Guinan episode, which was a 6 for me.
I think Picard's discussion with Renee and the Borg Queen scenes brought this up from a 6. Picard told Renee to look up - is it possible she's the Borg Queen of the future and Jurati is just a misdirect?
It was weird that Jeri Ryan hardly appeared in this - I wonder if things had to be cut due to Covid shutdowns while filming or something.
Why did the security personnel take Jurati to the surveillance room and just leave here there on the chair? Wouldn't they call the police or at the very least kick her out? It was too convenient they took her to the place she needed to be and then all it took was inserting the flash drive to instantly have everyone else's security info in the system.
Love seeing Brent, but the Soong/his daughter plot just didn't really do anything for me this episode.
Everything else was fine, but nothing really stood out. Was still hoping they wouldn't spend the entire episode at the gala and that's what they did. Now hoping they don't spend the entire next episode in Picard's mind and end it with a cliffhanger when we find out the secret from his past. I feel like the last few episodes are missing some of the urgency the season started off with.
I think Picard's discussion with Renee and the Borg Queen scenes brought this up from a 6. Picard told Renee to look up - is it possible she's the Borg Queen of the future and Jurati is just a misdirect?
It was weird that Jeri Ryan hardly appeared in this - I wonder if things had to be cut due to Covid shutdowns while filming or something.
Why did the security personnel take Jurati to the surveillance room and just leave here there on the chair? Wouldn't they call the police or at the very least kick her out? It was too convenient they took her to the place she needed to be and then all it took was inserting the flash drive to instantly have everyone else's security info in the system.
Love seeing Brent, but the Soong/his daughter plot just didn't really do anything for me this episode.
Everything else was fine, but nothing really stood out. Was still hoping they wouldn't spend the entire episode at the gala and that's what they did. Now hoping they don't spend the entire next episode in Picard's mind and end it with a cliffhanger when we find out the secret from his past. I feel like the last few episodes are missing some of the urgency the season started off with.
That one reminded me of Remans.....
Kore is Greek and meant “girl” or “daughter”. It’s from the Persephone myth about the daughter of the goddess of the harvest who was abducted by the god of the underworld and had to spend part of every year underground and become his Queen after he tricked her into eating pomegranate seeds. Her mother mourned and froze the earth during the winter months when her daughter was in Hades and spring arrived when the daughter emerged above ground each spring to spend part of the year with her mother, Demeter. The daughter was known as Persephone, the destroyer of all things, when she was Queen and Kora or Kore when she got to return to her mother above ground each year.
Most of the clone daughters of Dr, Soong were named from titles or alternate names for the goddess or other Greek goddesses. I went back and counted them: Persephone, Despoina, Persephatta, Artemis, Prosperpina, Thalia, and Kore. Persephone, Despoina, Persephatta, Prosperpina, and Kore are all names of the goddess. Artemis was the virgin goddess of the hunt. Thalia was the Muse of comedy. I’m not sure why they picked two names not directly connected to the myth, but most of it fits nicely with Data’s painting of his “Daughter.” Soong and later Data were all obsessed with recreating the same girl and keeping her alive.
I am enjoying the interactions with Agnes and the Borg Queen and the delving into Picard’s psyche quite a bit. At a guess, Tallinn probably is connected to Laris. The closed caption says Tallinn swore in Romulan and Tallinn spoke about a makeshift mind meld. The advanced species that abducted Gary Seven’s human ancestors probably did the same thing with Vulcans and Romulans. I also am intrigued by Soong and the clones plot.I like how cerebral and introspective this show is.
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I agree that drip-feeding a show so serialized doesn't help. I don't watch a lot of TV, but live-action NuTrek is the only serialized streaming series I follow that doesn't drop the season in one hit. Even then, those series still have better defined episode structures e.g. Stranger Things. Picard just seems to stop. Time's up - tune in next week. Anyway, it looks like SNW will remedy that.
As for this episode, it was alright - again. I'm still drifting along with it wondering what's going on with only 4 episodes left, although next week looks like it might be Extreme Measures pt2. Any questions that were present last week remain. I presume next week resolves Picard's childhood trauma, with the final few episodes finally deciding to shed some light on the various mysteries.
That cracker of a first episode feels a long time ago.
It was a well made and well executed episode of television that I liked watching but it will be impossible to assess it until the season is over I think. In serialized shows I’ve noticed that there’s a bit of a “middle episode syndrome” where after an exciting/intense beginning there’s a bit of a comedown for a few episodes before the big finish. This is episode 6, the end of the middle.
I am very interested and into the Jurati/Queen stuff. I’m not sure it’s super consistent with what we know about the Borg and the Queen but the actors do such a good job with it that it doesn’t really matter.
I am curious if/how all of the seemingly unrelated plot threads will come together.
I am very interested and into the Jurati/Queen stuff. I’m not sure it’s super consistent with what we know about the Borg and the Queen but the actors do such a good job with it that it doesn’t really matter.
I am curious if/how all of the seemingly unrelated plot threads will come together.
Loved the confirmation that the OV-165 from the ENT opening credits is still canon in the Trek universe. Seeing so many nods to the franchise's history of human space exploration was fun.
That's two nods to Jackson Roykirk and Nomad in this season of PIC. Glad to see some aspects of TOS are getting so much love this year because I always wanted to hear and see more about characters like Gary Seven and scientists like Roykirk.
Any ideas on why Jurati didn't get completely physically assimilated by the Borg Queen (like the Enterprise crew in First Contact did when they were assimilated)? Is it because the BQ was weak or did she purposefully choose to just enter her mind and let jurati keep her human apperance?
Security didn't search Agnes very well...or else that stun device was deeply hidden...
Soong begged for funding for his research but happened to make a hefty donation to the Europa mission?
Soong begged for funding for his research but happened to make a hefty donation to the Europa mission?
Could be the second choice but it's also possible that in the Confederation timeline the Borg Queen's methods of entering a sentient being's consciousness and assimilation were slightly different from how we saw them in the Prime timeline.
Another thing I forgot about while writing my thoughts on it before, why did none of the other security nab Jurati after she knocked out the other guards? I'm assuming the guards she knocked out stayed out, but didn't anyone check up on them? She just went back to the party, talking to herself all the while (which didn't arouse any suspicion), and later on had a star solo singing performance and none of the guards remembered who she was? Also, why would they chose a security guard fake identity for Picard?
I saw speculation about Rios staying behind and I had a similar inkling myself. I was hoping we might get a Rios Stargazer spin off, but I could also see Rios staying in the 21st century since he really seems to like it, and there's budding love with the doctor. I hadn't considered that ST: Picard might really shake up things with this cast since going into it, it was only going to run three seasons. This should give the writers freedom to take the PIC characters (absent Seven of Nine who is part of VOY as much as PIC) to places that other Trek series haven't or wouldn't dare.
I saw speculation about Rios staying behind and I had a similar inkling myself. I was hoping we might get a Rios Stargazer spin off, but I could also see Rios staying in the 21st century since he really seems to like it, and there's budding love with the doctor. I hadn't considered that ST: Picard might really shake up things with this cast since going into it, it was only going to run three seasons. This should give the writers freedom to take the PIC characters (absent Seven of Nine who is part of VOY as much as PIC) to places that other Trek series haven't or wouldn't dare.
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Me neither.
