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Spoilers Season 3 Cast Announcement

This isn’t about closure for the cast, this wouldn’t be happening if CBS wasn’t sure they’d make a boatload of money off of it.

It is capitalism taking advantage of nostalgia.
Yeah because every other Star Trek wasn't produced off the idea that the studio involved would have the chance to make a boatload of money, off of whatever idea they had come up with. That's literally why there is a business for making entertainment programming.
 
At this rate, $12 is going to be the price for a cup of coffee soon. Actually, hell, if you go to Starbucks' then it already almost is.

A venti veranda roast blend (aka a large coffee) is between $3 and $4. Inflation’s a real problem but come on.
 
Please, no lines about any changes. Let it just be without comment.
Unless, of course, the REAL reason for the differences depends on exposure to Tribble fur (sufficiently lengthy exposure triggering somewhat random, and highly contagious, mutations). That, and that ALONE, would be an acceptable "comment". :whistle:
 
So anyone with a dissenting opinion just has an axe to grind?
I never said anyone who disagrees has an ax to grind. I said YOU have an ax to grind about this specific issue.

It's clear in how you intentionally misstated what I was saying after I had already clarified that it was closure for the cast.
But whatever. Go ahead and huff and puff over it. I'm quite looking forward to it myself! :beer:
 
I think the word "nostalgia" has been misused in general.

According to dictionary.com, it means: "a wistful desire to return in thought or in fact to a former time in one's life, to one's home or homeland, or to one's family and friends; a sentimental yearning for the happiness of a former place or time"

Let's unpack this:

"a wistful desire to return in thought or in fact to a former time in one's life" --> No. In Seasons 1 and 2, Picard is very much in a different place in his life. So is Seven. Going back to a former life would be Picard returning to the Enterprise or Seven returning to Voyager. Neither of these happened in Seasons 1 or 2.

"to one's home or homeland," --> Again no. Picard didn't have a "wistful desire" to go back to the Vineyard. He didn't really want to be there. He went there out of a sense of family obligation and because he didn't feel like he had anywhere else to go. As far as Seven, she went to the Fenris Rangers.

"or to one's family and friends;" --> Still no. When Zhaban recommended Geordi, Worf, and Riker to go with Picard in Season 1 in search for Soji, he said no. He didn't want to take his former Enterprise crew with him. As far as Seven, she seems pretty removed from everyone else on Voyager.

"a sentimental yearning for the happiness of a former place or time" --> I don't see this for Picard in Season 1 and even though he visits the Stargazer at the beginning of Season 2, I don't think he wants to command it again or go back to it. He isn't Kirk. And I think Seven is happier on La Sirena than she ever was on Voyager. Let's be honest.

So, no, other than the characters of Picard and Seven being characters in the series, their situations are not nostalgic. They're the opposite of nostalgic.

Only Season 3 would be guilty of nostalgia, if we're not to misuse what the word actually means. Picard gathering up the old crew for "one last adventure" fits the very textbook definition of the word nostalgia. But nothing else in the major broad-strokes of the series actually does, especially when it comes to where the characters are in their lives and how the series has made use of them.
 
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The future crew stealing the Enterprise from the SF Museum was actually one of the ideas for AGT :D

Unless, of course, the REAL reason for the differences depends on exposure to Tribble fur (sufficiently lengthy exposure triggering somewhat random, and highly contagious, mutations). That, and that ALONE, would be an acceptable "comment". :whistle:
And it's all because of that officer from that Short Trek. :D

I never said anyone who disagrees has an ax to grind. I said YOU have an ax to grind about this specific issue.

It's clear in how you intentionally misstated what I was saying after I had already clarified that it was closure for the cast.
But whatever. Go ahead and huff and puff over it. I'm quite looking forward to it myself! :beer:
The axe, not the grinder. ;)
 
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I think the word "nostalgia" has been misused in general.

According to dictionary.com, it means: "a wistful desire to return in thought or in fact to a former time in one's life, to one's home or homeland, or to one's family and friends; a sentimental yearning for the happiness of a former place or time"

Let's unpack this:

"a wistful desire to return in thought or in fact to a former time in one's life" --> No. In Seasons 1 and 2, Picard is very much in a different place in his life. So is Seven. Going back to a former life would be Picard returning to the Enterprise or Seven returning to Voyager. Neither of these happened in Seasons 1 or 2.

"to one's home or homeland," --> Again no. Picard didn't have a "wistful desire" to go back to the Vineyard. He didn't really want to be there. He went there out of a sense of family obligation and because he didn't feel like he had anywhere else to go. As far as Seven, she went to the Fenris Rangers.

"or to one's family and friends;" --> Still no. When Zhaban recommended Geordi, Worf, and Riker to go with Picard in Season 1 in search for Soji, he said no. He didn't want to take his former Enterprise crew with him. As far as Seven, she seems pretty removed from everyone else on Voyager.

"a sentimental yearning for the happiness of a former place or time" --> I don't see this for Picard in Season 1 and even though he visits the Stargazer at the beginning of Season 2, I don't think he wants to command it again or go back to it. He isn't Kirk. And I think Seven is happier on La Sirena than she ever was on Voyager. Let's be honest.

So, no, other than the characters of Picard and Seven being characters in the series, their situations are not nostalgic. They're the opposite of nostalgic.

Only Season 3 would be guilty of nostalgia, if we're not to misuse what the word actually means. Picard gathering up the old crew for "one last adventure" fits the very textbook definition of the word nostalgia. But nothing else in the major broad-strokes of the series actually does, especially when it comes to where the characters are in their lives and how the series has made use of them.

I don’t disagree with you but in your last paragraph you are accepting the negative framing of nostalgia as something unequivocally bad…something to be guilty of. Nostalgia is neither good nor bad. People who don’t like this frame it as bad because they don’t like it for whatever reason. You don’t have to accept their framing!
 
These are the "Picard folk". The ones that gave us every variation of Romulan under the sun.

isn’t it plausible that like humans other species will have variations in external appearance? And who’s to say such variations wouldn’t be more or less pronounced in aliens?
 
I don’t disagree with you but in your last paragraph you are accepting the negative framing of nostalgia as something unequivocally bad…something to be guilty of. Nostalgia is neither good nor bad. People who don’t like this frame it as bad because they don’t like it for whatever reason. You don’t have to accept their framing!
Bottom line is: we're looking forward to this, me mainly because I don't think the TNG Movies were good (except for FC) and Picard has made up for them in spades. I never asked for this, but I'm glad we got it.

And then we've got some people over there, who are just being sticks in the mud.
 
Bottom line is: we're looking forward to this, me mainly because I don't think the TNG Movies were good (except for FC) and Picard has made up for them in spades. I never asked for this, but I'm glad we got it.

And then we've got some people over there, who are just being sticks in the mud.
I don't even like FC, 'cause I hate zombies. So there were two average movies, one really bad one, and one that was probably good but I just couldn't get into.
 
Bottom line is: we're looking forward to this, me mainly because I don't think the TNG Movies were good (except for FC) and Picard has made up for them in spades. I never asked for this, but I'm glad we got it.

And then we've got some people over there, who are just being sticks in the mud.
I'm going to be right here enjoying it with you! What an absolutely unexpected treat!
 
I finally have enough material for the next installment of my parody series. :devil:

"Modern Trekkies If The Next Generation Was New"

- by Lord Garth

During the drought of the 1970s, if you ever told me I wouldn't want Star Trek back on the TV with new episodes, I never would've believed you. But now, 10 years later, here we are. If this if what bringing Star Trek back to television means, they should've just stuck with reruns. Where do I even begin?

First of all, I don't mind new characters, but these new characters are so boring! Especially the Captain who has to be Always Right and always has to give a speech. One point down right off the bat!

While we're at it, the very first episode, and Captain Picard surrenders the ship! That's two points down so far!

Then there's Q! What a rip-off! I liked him better when he was Trelane! Come up with something original! Three points down!

"To boldly go where no ONE has gone before"?! They've made Star Trek too PC. It's supposed to be "Where no MAN has gone before"! Man as in MANkind! Four points down!

What's with this Wesley Crusher? Star Trek is supposed to be about adults! And worse, he makes all the adults look like idiots who can't do their job! Picard even makes him an Acting Ensign! They've obviously aimed this show at children! In my day, kids knew their place! Five points down.

Why does the Enterprise need a Ship's Counselor? These are supposed to be trained professionals! Why would they have emotional issues? Why would they want to sit around and talk about their feelings? Six points down!

I can't believe they had McCoy visit the Enterprise! It's nostalgia-bait! This show can't stand on its own! While we're at it, why do we have to have a Klingon on the show! And did you see the Vulcan in the background in Engineering in "Encounter at Farpoint"? Seven points down!

After the pilot, they started ripping off episodes from the real Star Trek! In "The Naked Now", the Enterprise gets infected with the Psi-2000 Virus again! "The Naked Time" rip-off! In "Code of Honor", Tasha Yar fights to the death in an arena and they think she died, until she's brought back! "Amok Time" rip-off! The T'Kon Empire in "The Last Outpost" is a rip-off of the Metrons. "Arena" rip-off! And how about "The Big Goodbye" when they play dress-up and fight mobsters, just like "A Piece of the Action"? Another rip-off! Eight points down!

In "The Battle", how can Riker form a bond with the Ferengi First Officer?! Don't you remember that Picard said in "Encounter at Farpoint" that the Ferengi eat their associates?! THEY'RE CANNIBALS!!! And all the Enterprise does is let them take Daimon Bok in disgrace! Nine points down!

Last, but not least: Gene Roddenberry has completely forgotten what he wrote in the original series and the new writers have never even seen it! In "Where No One Has Gone Before", the Enterprise travels beyond the galaxy and they don't even approach any type of galactic barrier like in the original series' "Where No MAN Has Gone Before" and "By Another Name"! Data being an Android and someone who they just accept as wanting to become more Human is an insult to everything done before! Have they not seen "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" or "I, Mudd" or "The Ultimate Computer"?! They have no respect for the original show! HOW DARE THEY REPLACE THE ORIGINAL CHARACTERS!!!!!!!!

Kirk and Spock forever!!!!! 10 points down!!!!!!!!!!!!

On a scale of 1 to 10, I give Star Trek: The Next Generation a 0. A ZERO!!!! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! This new show makes even the worst parts of the old show look like gold! It'll never last! Never! Boycott this series at every turn until it's gone! It's the Trekkie thing to do.

See Also:
Modern Trekkies if The Animated Series Was New
Modern Trekkies If The Wrath of Khan Was New
Modern Trekkies if The Search for Spock Was New
 
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While we're at it, the very first episode, and Captain Picard surrenders the ship! That's two points down so far!

This was a big complaint on Usenet Star Trek group: Picard is a bad Captain, always surrendering. Kirk would never do that.

Picard almost surrendered to the Ferengi in their first encounter too, lol. And of course Kirk surrendered the ship to Klingons in TUC.
 
Geordie is off on Utopia Planitia

They finally got the fire out?

There is no axe to grind, I've said that I hope it is successful. But you're kidding yourself if you think this is happening for any other reason than CBS believing they will make a lot of money off of it.

So...like every other TV show ever?

That would be valid too, and I probably would prefer to go with that if ENT hadn't explained the TOS Klingons almost twenty years ago. But given the ENT precedent, my impulse would be to explain the DIS Klingons using the same plot device.

Maybe just a line about how ugly Klingons look when they shave their heads...

It is either mine the past or go forward

I'm really coming to hate this false dichotomy. There are soon to be 5 ongoing shows (6 if they ever get back to Short Treks). There's plenty of room for both.
 
I thought it was just to frustrate me by pointlessly and annoyingly killing my favorite character every time he pokes his head up.
Spiner should have been recast if he didn't want the gig anymore, Data's life had only begun.

BOOOO!!! Boo, I say!
I suspect something major is going to happen with Data in Season 3. The producers and writers wouldn't have gone through the trouble brining back the TNG cast and leave out one vital character in the sendoff. And they wouldn't give away a major plot point in the Cast Announcement video voiceovers.

With all of the recasting that has been needed for TOS characters, it's inevitable that one day that will move into TNG territory.
 
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