non-profound DS9 questions

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

I wanted to save my 2,000th post for something special, so here it is:

1) If Odo got cut in half in his liquid state, would there be 2 Odos, mini-Odos or no Odos?

2) Did Sisko tell Dax he made love to her MU counterpart? Was it in his mission report?

3) How far does a Jem’Hadar personal cloaking field extend to? And the classic Trek question: can they fire their weapons while cloaked? Or stab their foes while cloaked?

4) Does DS9 have a transporter room anywhere at all? Obviously a former mining station doesn’t necessarily need one if the cargo bays’ transporters and Ops transporter are adequate, but still… It would’ve been funny if they’d mentioned it in the last episode of the series or something, so the audience could be like, “Say what now?!”

5) With the Founders being geniuses in genetics, why couldn’t they find a cure to the Section 31 bio-weapon when it only took Sloan a matter of seconds to communicate it to Bashir?

6) Could the older Odo from “Children of Time” have combined permanently with Odo to make a Super-Odo?

7) When Worf became part of the house of Martok, how was it for Martok’s son, whom Worf had gone out of his way to dishonor? Were those family get-togethers awkward? (Worf probably saw Martok's son more than he saw his own.)

8) Since “Doctor Bashir, I Presume” immediately followed “By Inferno’s Light,” the Bashir changeling narrowly missed immortality in becoming Starfleet’s LMH. Wouldn’t it also have been wise of the Dominion to replace Zimmerman with a changeling so every EMH and LMH in Starfleet could potentially be programmed to become a Dominion agent?

9) Does the Dax symbiont have a personality of its own that can be talked to, apart from previous/current hosts? We know it has preferences and a personality in a general way, but is it able to communicate directly?

And with that, I seize the rank of Commodore! Wow, it's everything I'd hope for!

 

[somebuddyX]

Congratulations! At my rate, I'll be joining you at that rank in about a decade.
As to your questions:
1. You know, based on how part of a changeling separated from the whole turns back into goo, my analogy is it's a bit like someone losing blood. you can take a bunch away and get new blood or regenerate but at some point you'll have catastrophic failure. I would say that two equally split odos might be able to regenerate back into a whole changeling but it would take some time to do that. It would be like turning them into infant changelings. If you cut him up into a hundred pieces I think it would just stay inert and eventually just die.
2. Absolutely not. I just think he'll never tell.
3. I think they can do all of the above but I hope there's limits to it that it uses up ketracel white more and in the progress can kill a Jem'Hadar with prolonged use. In their very first scene deshrouding, I think they run straight up to Sisko and Quark holding weapons, fully clothed and then become visible. I think of it like video game special function that drains health bar rapidly.
4. I think so. But it's to me like saying the Enterprise-D sickbay is too small for a ship that size. I get it in theory but it doesn't bother me
5. I like that some people have knowledge that others don't, like the Romulans or Cardassians built that turn Changeling solid device and they were the only ones who did. I wonder if Dominion tech was advanced but plateaued because there was no innovation for thousands of years, so maybe their cloning tech is centuries old, whereas the Feds use everyone's ideas to work on stuff.
6. I think he could have until the timeline erased and then it would be back to one Odo. I think that's kind of what happened actually when Old-Odo jumped into his container and told him his plans.
7. I think that would have been great to see honestly. Drex might have been not his typical self in "The Way of the Warrior" because he was being ramped up by his dad's behaviour in setting up the Cardassian invasion. Or maybe's he's just a tool. He and Alexander could have bonded though.
8. That's not bad!
9. I think it has something but not because of anything onscreen really. In the Invasion book "Time's Enemy" I think old-Dax has a personality because I'm sure it has some reaction when it encounters old-Jadzia, and that's stuck with me. In the show Dax just feels like a glorified Trill greatest hits tape.

 

[kkt]

2. I was thinking probably yes. There's nothing to be ashamed of there. Failing to make love to mirror Jadzia would have broken his cover, ended the mission at best, and gotten him killed at worst. Since they transport between the prime and mirror universes every couple of months it seems like, he had to brief all his officers on the mirror universe situation in case they ended up there without time to be briefed.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I wonder what Cardassian made bathrooms are like. Do they prefer baths? Sonic showers? And what do the toilets look like?

 

[dupersuper]

1) If Odo got cut in half in his liquid state, would there be 2 Odos, mini-Odos or no Odos?

I'm thinking the two halves just recombine.

2) Did Sisko tell Dax he made love to her MU counterpart? Was it in his mission report?

Not if he knows what's good for him.

3) How far does a Jem’Hadar personal cloaking field extend to? And the classic Trek question: can they fire their weapons while cloaked? Or stab their foes while cloaked?

Stab definitely, shoot probably (I don't get the impression that their guns power their cloak).

4) Does DS9 have a transporter room anywhere at all? Obviously a former mining station doesn’t necessarily need one if the cargo bays’ transporters and Ops transporter are adequate, but still… It would’ve been funny if they’d mentioned it in the last episode of the series or something, so the audience could be like, “Say what now?!”

To the technical manuals!

5) With the Founders being geniuses in genetics, why couldn’t they find a cure to the Section 31 bio-weapon when it only took Sloan a matter of seconds to communicate it to Bashir?

Maybe Section 31 created something with nanites or other Federation tech they knew the Founders had never encountered?

6) Could the older Odo from “Children of Time” have combined permanently with Odo to make a Super-Odo?

Linking is portrayed as sexual: would linking with yourself be masturbation?

7) When Worf became part of the house of Martok, how was it for Martok’s son, whom Worf had gone out of his way to dishonor? Were those family get-togethers awkward? (Worf probably saw Martok's son more than he saw his own.)

I always wanted to see him again...

8) Since “Doctor Bashir, I Presume” immediately followed “By Inferno’s Light,” the Bashir changeling narrowly missed immortality in becoming Starfleet’s LMH. Wouldn’t it also have been wise of the Dominion to replace Zimmerman with a changeling so every EMH and LMH in Starfleet could potentially be programmed to become a Dominion agent?

Assuming his form wouldn't make a Founder a genius at AI and holography design.

9) Does the Dax symbiont have a personality of its own that can be talked to, apart from previous/current hosts? We know it has preferences and a personality in a general way, but is it able to communicate directly?

It definitely has a personality, but we've seen no evidence it/they can speak to any one directly. If so it would likely be done in the ceremony that brings previous hosts' personalities to the surface that we see in DS9 and Discovery.

 

[Oddish]

1. If Odo got cut in half in his liquid state, would there be 2 Odos, mini-Odos or no Odos?
I think I he'd just ooze back together, T-1000 style.

2) Did Sisko tell Dax he made love to her MU counterpart? Was it in his mission report?
No. It's not her, so not her business. You think Bashir told Odo he killed his doppelganger?

3) How far does a Jem’Hadar personal cloaking field extend to? And the classic Trek question: can they fire their weapons while cloaked? Or stab their foes while cloaked?
If they could fight while cloaked, I think they would.

4) Does DS9 have a transporter room anywhere at all?
Doubtful.

5) With the Founders being geniuses in genetics, why couldn’t they find a cure to the Section 31 bio-weapon when it only took Sloan a matter of seconds to communicate it to Bashir?
Maybe S31 are geniuses in genetics too. Just because the Federation eschews the creation of genetic abominations like the Jem'Hadar, doesn't mean S31 will.

6) Could the older Odo from “Children of Time” have combined permanently with Odo to make a Super-Odo?
Since he ceased to exist, no. But effectively, that's what the Great Link is. Since they seem to think and act as one, they could probably turn into something gargantuan and deadly!

7) When Worf became part of the house of Martok, how was it for Martok’s son, whom Worf had gone out of his way to dishonor? Were those family get-togethers awkward?
Drex is never seen again. Killed in battle, maybe? Sent off to a remedial Klingon school? We should have been informed.

8) Since “Doctor Bashir, I Presume” immediately followed “By Inferno’s Light,” the Bashir changeling narrowly missed immortality in becoming Starfleet’s LMH. Wouldn’t it also have been wise of the Dominion to replace Zimmerman with a changeling so every EMH and LMH in Starfleet could potentially be programmed to become a Dominion agent?
EMH's were rarely used, and LMH's were still in the planning stages. Maybe it was on their To-Do list, but low priority.

9) Does the Dax symbiont have a personality of its own that can be talked to, apart from previous/current hosts? We know it has preferences and a personality in a general way, but is it able to communicate directly?
Probably via some form of telepathy. You'd have to ask a Guardian.

 

[at Quark's]

1. If Odo got cut in half in his liquid state, would there be 2 Odos, mini-Odos or no Odos?

Well, Odo comes from Cardassian Odo'ital = nothing=0. And we all know that 0/2 = 2*0 =0. So, all of the above answers would apply.

 

[Orphalesion]

On the Odo thing. The most most obvious answer would be that the two "halves" just re-combine but...what if they are not able to due to being separate?
Let's imagine someone manages to fill half of Odo's liquid form into a container and transport it to the other side of the Alpha Quadrant. The two "halves" would be unable to re-join.
So I say in this version there'd be two Odos. I think they'd still be the same size, because Odo seemed to be able to control his size as well as form. They might be less "dense" through, if that applies to the Founders.

 

[at Quark's]

On the Odo thing. The most most obvious answer would be that the two "halves" just re-combine but...what if they are not able to due to being separate?
Let's imagine someone manages to fill half of Odo's liquid form into a container and transport it to the other side of the Alpha Quadrant. The two "halves" would be unable to re-join.
So I say in this version there'd be two Odos. I think they'd still be the same size, because Odo seemed to be able to control his size as well as form. They might be less "dense" through, if that applies to the Founders.

Perhaps this is how they procreate - simply by shedding a small part of themselves (or by a small part of the combined whole when in the Link).

 

[Captrek]

Perhaps this is how they procreate - simply by shedding a small part of themselves (or by a small part of the combined whole when in the Link).

So when Bashir borrowed a cup of goo from Odo, he was watching him in the procreative act? No wonder he looked so uncomfortable.

 

[Oddish]

There are probably limits, though. Like when alt-Odo got phasered in "Crossover", there might not have been enough left of him intact to form a new Changeling.

Or, maybe, there was, and Baby Odo just oozed off. And since Terok Nor was taken by the Terrans, he sneaked back to Bajor.

 

[Kor]

Odo was able to get along fine with that small amount of himself lent out to Bashir, but being split in half is probably another story. I'm picturing both halves perpetually struggling to solidify but unable to hold a stable form.

I wonder what it takes to "reproduce" and generate an infant changeling. The hundred presumably came out of the entire Great Link, not from just one or two "individual" changelings, whatever "individuality" means for a species that generally prefers to be joined together physically and mentally into one immense collective whole.

Kor

 

[kkt]

2, continued. They'd never put this scene on the air - if the writers didn't stop it, the censors probably would. But I see Curzon Dax's sense of humor asserting itself.

Sisko - Have a seat, old man. So the mission to the mirror universe impersonating my mirror went well.
Dax - (they had a briefing in the wardroom and she's wondering why he's called her to his office) Good, and?
Sisko - Well, I met your mirror Dax. It seems mirror me and mirror Dax were involved.
Dax - (realizes what he's getting to) Benjamin, you didn't?
Sisko - It would have broken my cover to turn her down.
Dax - Heh heh heh. Well, Benjamin, (thinking of times they have picked up girls together) How was I?
(both laugh)

 

[kkt]

4) Does DS9 have a transporter room anywhere at all? Obviously a former mining station doesn’t necessarily need one if the cargo bays’ transporters and Ops transporter are adequate, but still… It would’ve been funny if they’d mentioned it in the last episode of the series or something, so the audience could be like, “Say what now?!”

Trying to think from the Cardassians' point of view. They're afraid (with good reason) about the security of the station. The resistance has cells operating all over Bajor, and even on the station. They probably want everyone coming to or from the station to undergo security screenings looking for suspicious persons, weapons, contraband, etc. At the docking ports is the most obvious place. So they require everyone to use shuttles. They just have the cargo transporters, and the one for VIPs in Ops.

8) Since “Doctor Bashir, I Presume” immediately followed “By Inferno’s Light,” the Bashir changeling narrowly missed immortality in becoming Starfleet’s LMH. Wouldn’t it also have been wise of the Dominion to replace Zimmerman with a changeling so every EMH and LMH in Starfleet could potentially be programmed to become a Dominion agent?

I don't think so. People don't go chatting with medical holograms about anything but their personal medical issues. They'd want to impersonate a commanding officer or their 1st officer, or important brass so they could learn about what the ship or the theatre of operations is up to and possibly substitute their own orders for what the real CO would order. Also it would be too easy to slip up by not knowing something medical.

And with that, I seize the rank of Commodore! Wow, it's everything I'd hope for!

Congratulations, Commodore!

 

[StarMan]

2, continued. They'd never put this scene on the air - if the writers didn't stop it, the censors probably would. But I see Curzon Dax's sense of humor asserting itself.

Sisko - Have a seat, old man. So the mission to the mirror universe impersonating my mirror went well.
Dax - (they had a briefing in the wardroom and she's wondering why he's called her to his office) Good, and?
Sisko - Well, I met your mirror Dax. It seems mirror me and mirror Dax were involved.
Dax - (realizes what he's getting to) Benjamin, you didn't?
Sisko - It would have broken my cover to turn her down.
Dax - Heh heh heh. Well, Benjamin, (thinking of times they have picked up girls together) How was I?
(both laugh)

Yeah, "how was I?" was the line that entered my head when I read the question. She would've found it amusing - more so given Ben's obvious discomfort at discussing it.

 

[Oddish]

Yeah, "how was I?" was the line that entered my head when I read the question. She would've found it amusing - more so given Ben's obvious discomfort at discussing it.

Given Dax and sexuality, I think you're right. And remember "Fascination"... Jadzia did have some hidden feelings for Sisko. Maybe she wouldn't be surprised.

Imagine if one of Trek's best "didn't happen" couples, like Picard/Beverly or Janeway/Chakotay, were confronted with an alternate reality where they did get together. They might not be all that surprised... might even be curious to know what it was like.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

On the Odo thing. The most most obvious answer would be that the two "halves" just re-combine but...what if they are not able to due to being separate?
Let's imagine someone manages to fill half of Odo's liquid form into a container and transport it to the other side of the Alpha Quadrant. The two "halves" would be unable to re-join.
So I say in this version there'd be two Odos. I think they'd still be the same size, because Odo seemed to be able to control his size as well as form. They might be less "dense" through, if that applies to the Founders.

That's the scenario I was envisioning, where Odo gets split in 2 while trying to ooze onto a ship that shuts its hatch and warps away. I can't help envisioning mini-Odos, like Baby Groot, but still in their full Bajoran security uniforms and just having higher-pitched voices!

Which begs the additional question, how many samples of himself could Odo hand over before he would cease to be Odo?

6. I think he could have until the timeline erased and then it would be back to one Odo. I think that's kind of what happened actually when Old-Odo jumped into his container and told him his plans.

But what if the Defiant had gone back in time again, as they were intending to?

Congratulations, Commodore!

Thank you, thank you, thank you! If you have any advice as a veteran Commodore, I would welcome it gladly!

 

[Orphalesion]

That's the scenario I was envisioning, where Odo gets split in 2 while trying to ooze onto a ship that shuts its hatch and warps away. I can't help envisioning mini-Odos, like Baby Groot, but still in their full Bajoran security uniforms and just having higher-pitched voices!

Which begs the additional question, how many samples of himself could Odo hand over before he would cease to be Odo?

I guess it would depend whether it's a comedy or a drama episode. In a comedy episode we'd totally get two "small" Odos.And there'd be comedic scenes with Quark (maybe he'd try to exhibit one or both mini-Odos for money?).

In a drama episode we'd get two full-sized Odos and the other Odo would have been away long enough to develop something of his own personality and there'd be conflict on whether they should fuse back together and/or how Odo is going to cope with a (probably more roguish) version of himself around. Then probably in the third act they'd suffer some sort of degeneration that will kill them unless they fuse back together. And the last scene would show that Odo has gained a new POV on life by fusing with his wayward double (which, of course, would be fogotten about by the next episode)

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

In a drama episode we'd get two full-sized Odos and the other Odo would have been away long enough to develop something of his own personality and there'd be conflict on whether they should fuse back together. Then probably in the third act they'd suffer some sort of degeneration that will kill them unless they fuse back together. And the last scene would show that Odo has gained a new POV on life by fusing with his wayward double (which, of course, would be fogotten about by the next episode)

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[Orphalesion]

TUVIX PART II !!!!!!!

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