Dam Q. Won't he stop fucking with us and our timeline!
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"
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Dam Q. Won't he stop fucking with us and our timeline!
You do realize that I've been saying just that? If not, then pay attention more before criticizing someone for something that is not applicable.
I'm going with the writer's intention for this one. I think it makes as much as sense as other interpretations. My main complaint is that they should've explained the rule in the episode. It could've been simple and brief. Picard looks confused at Guinan's lack of recognition. Then he says some quick explanation about how Time's Arrow didn't happen with the alteration, and moves on.
It's important to mention the ground rules because there are other takes on how this could work. All approaches have some inconsistencies. I'm willing to go with what the writers intend, but they should be clear about it.
I hate temporal mechanics.
Laughing and enjoying the ride?
I always check their Yelp rating.
Eh?Laughing and enjoying the ride?
Yes, please! Their chemistry is really such a pleasure to watch - I doubt she'll get to go with the crew back to their time, but I intend to enjoy her while she's around. But then again...if Q can't just snap things back to normal, maybe they'll have to do things the hard way, break the timeline a few more times in order to save it. So who knows?
The actor playing Guinan was marvelous.
The series has reached the soggy middle where they tread water until it's time to pick up speed and rush to a climax which, based on Trek history, they may or may not have entirely worked out at this point.
Enjoying the Seven and Rafi show. They should try to share an apartment for half an hour every week without driving each other crazy.
It's hard to know what I'd have thought of the ICE stuff if I hadn't scrolled through all the drama here first. Probably that it was somewhat flat-footed but not remarkably so for TV writers.
The series has reached the soggy middle where they tread water until it's time to pick up speed and rush to a climax which, based on Trek history, they may or may not have entirely worked out at this point.
Enjoying the Seven and Rafi show. They should try to share an apartment for half an hour every week without driving each other crazy.
It's hard to know what I'd have thought of the ICE stuff if I hadn't scrolled through all the drama here first. Probably that it was somewhat flat-footed but not remarkably so for TV writers.
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trek can't resist bringing in the borg and canon says el auria was assimilated around pikes time in strange new worlds
I always take it in to the shop at the temporal dealership where I got it.
Two alternate travelers could theoretically meet, but only under specific circumstances. There is always only one future timeline available at any particular time. What we usually see happen is, a traveler comes from the (currently available) future and prevents it from happening. See Older Alexander, and Admiral Janeway. Then a different future unfolds from that point. In fact Older Alexander probably duplicated himself when he returned to the future and found another Alexander who never lost his father.
Anyway, let's say Admiral Janeway didn't get herself blown up, the only time she could meet another alternative version of herself is after she changes the timeline, then Admiral "7 years" Janeway can exist to time travel back. Original Admiral Janeway can never return to her original timeline (which she wanted erased anyway).
What we are seeing in Picard is a special case because usually changes caused by a 3rd party don't leave anyone behind to remember the change. What Q with the mind transfer did was the functional equivalent of temporal shielding.
The fact that we never see 2 versions of travelers trying to fix the same shared past event shows that it's not how it works in Star Trek. Divergences create separate universes as seen in "Parallels", each with it's own separate but identical pasts to travel to.
That was long, I hope it makes sense.
Dunno whether it's been mentioned here. But in "Assignment: Earth," after they intercepted Gary Seven's transporter beam, Scotty said of the beam [http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/55.htm]:
Gary Seven also referred to "this time period" and inferred from Humans being together with a Vulcan that the Enterprise was from the future.
So, it's always been entirely possible that the beings who sent Gary themselves existed in the future.
"Still unable to analyze it, sir. It was so powerful, it fused most of our recording circuits. Could have brought him back through great distances, could have brought him back through time. There's no way for us to know."
Gary Seven also referred to "this time period" and inferred from Humans being together with a Vulcan that the Enterprise was from the future.
So, it's always been entirely possible that the beings who sent Gary themselves existed in the future.
So transporter beams travel in a curve to avoid objects now?
The longer the transporter has hung around on Trek, the more obviously bullshit it's become. They should just wave magic wands.
Ya know, this whole time travel conversation isn't factoring in the most important aspect of the whole season ...
After the explosion of the Stargazer in episode 1, everything else we're seeing is a manifestation of Q's quest to make Picard aware of 'something'. (we haven't' seen what yet)
So none of the 'multiple rules of Trek time travel' can be counted on.
Q has created this whole situation and since we've already seen that even he seems to be effected by it, nothing we've seen before really applies.
It's just playing out the way he decided before hand.
Isn't it entirely possibly that Jurati managed to find a way to use existing 2024 satellites around the Earth to do the beaming?
Doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me since it took her several minutes to find a way to make it work and all she would be doing is making the beams pass through the satellites.
It's not like they would have to hold/store any of the data streams.
After the explosion of the Stargazer in episode 1, everything else we're seeing is a manifestation of Q's quest to make Picard aware of 'something'. (we haven't' seen what yet)
So none of the 'multiple rules of Trek time travel' can be counted on.
Q has created this whole situation and since we've already seen that even he seems to be effected by it, nothing we've seen before really applies.
It's just playing out the way he decided before hand.
Isn't it entirely possibly that Jurati managed to find a way to use existing 2024 satellites around the Earth to do the beaming?
Doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me since it took her several minutes to find a way to make it work and all she would be doing is making the beams pass through the satellites.
It's not like they would have to hold/store any of the data streams.
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^That's fine. The point stands that nothing was built into the episode to clue the more continuity-aware viewer in. One line would've done it, as @Mr Awe suggested a few posts ago and I suggested a 1000 pages back. They didn't.
I think what we're looking at is a masterful troll on the part of Terry Mathalas, to which I doff my hat and say ... well done!
I think what we're looking at is a masterful troll on the part of Terry Mathalas, to which I doff my hat and say ... well done!
Then Kutzman Trek would be two for two in that Arena...(pun intended)
No...for 71 hours there were two 1701's two Kirks, etc. in the same Universe. They weren't exactly the same because one was in fact 71 hours older; but 71 hours later; there's again just one 1701 - as that incident has now 'happened - and from that 1701's perspective the Universe has 'moved on'.I read something in one of the Best of Treks that argued the universe would eventually be filled with Enterprises because of the implosion. Every 71 hours an Enterprise would regress in time, only to be replaced by another Enterprise entering standard orbit. World without end. Amen.
At best there's a closed/constant repeating 71 hour loop m- but like other predestination paradoxes, from the viewpoint of those involed, it happened once...
In TOS - S1 "Assignment: Earth" Mr. Scott was able to 'bounce a signal off an old style weather satellite' to be able to locate and lock on to Mr. Gary 7 with the Transporter. Dr. Jurati was probably able to use 21st century satellites to do the same thing with the transporter and their comm badge system.
(And IMO the Star Trek Transporter has been 'magic' since day one because I don't believe even 300+ years from now they'll be enough computing power to disassemble/convert/bean/reassemble a person thousands of miles in about 5 seconds; irrespective of the other laws of nature it violates - Heisenberg Compensators my ass...
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You know it's bad when even some of the biggest Trek nerds gets confused on the Time Travel episode, when other Time Travel episodes hasn't been confusing to them.I love how even Trekyards get confused with the time travel thing.
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