Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"

[Kilana2]

Didn't Janeway say something about paradoxes associated with time travel leading to headaches?

 

[137th Gebirg]

ICE would 100% have tried to deport Tuvix to the Delta Quadrant.

Well, better that than murder him like Janeway did, I'm thinkin'.

Shit... Now I'm doing it too...

 

[Yistaan]

I can't remember did any of the 2024 characters in Past Tense make an issue about Bashir being Middle Eastern?

 

[J. Frank Doobie]

Honestly, I think people generally just aged faster back in the 1940s-1980s era because smoking was so much more prevalent everywhere.

Don't forget about sun exposure, lead paint and leaded gasoline, as well as the total difference in "health culture" before, say, the 1970s/80s.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Neelix and Tuvok were already dead. That happened

No, it didn't.

Edit: I mean, consider a hypothetical where you could bring back to life two people you were close to by pushing a button, but it would kill someone else. Would you push the button?

That's a false hypothetical that doesn't represent the situation.

A better one is this. Flight 47 leaves Honolulu and lands in Los Angeles. Instead of the passengers who left, an entirely different set of passengers have arrived, changeling substitutions, because the plane entered a spatiotemporal rift that sent it through the twilight zone. Your scientists have determined that sending the plane with the changelings back through the twilight zone will bring back the original passengers.

You, who were charged with the responsibility of safeguarding the lives of those original passengers, have a decision to make. Either you shrug and accept the changelings, c'est la vie and que sera, sera, or you live up to your responsibility and get the original passengers back on their way to Los Angeles, even though your scientists tell you that this will consign the substitutes to non-existence. What do you do?

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Anyway, this is off-topic. You posted it, I responded, but that's the end of the line. Further discussion can continue in the next "Tuvix" thread, which going by how often they pop up could be any day now.

 

[Yistaan]

With all the talk of Tuvix I'm half wondering now if he was in this episode and I missed it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

With all the talk of Tuvix I'm half wondering now if he was in this episode and I missed it.

Tuvix never does something by half.

 

[Jayson1]

ICE would 100% have tried to deport Tuvix to the Delta Quadrant.

Just the ix part of him. The ix part came from the DQ.

 

[UssGlenn]

For the record, socialism is a a family of economic systems characterized by some form of communal ownership of the means of production.

A social safety net is a form of downwards redistribution, but that is not the same thing as socialism. The means of production in the U.S. remain privately owned.

Do worker collective owned companies count as socialism? Or is that still considered private ownership since the government isn't involved?

 

[fireproof78]

Just the ix part of him. The ix part came from the DQ.

Does that part like working with technology, even in light of the Butlerian Jihad?


*pushes nerd glasses on to his face*

 

[Scout101]

I can't remember did any of the 2024 characters in Past Tense make an issue about Bashir being Middle Eastern?

To be fair, that episode aired in 1995. It would be another 6 years before that became as big an issue as it is now.

 

[Jayson1]

Does that part like working with technology, even in light of the Butlerian Jihad?


*pushes nerd glasses on to his face*

The ix part is basically 2 legs with a mohawk on top. I'm sure he would do fine with that going on with him.

 

[eschaton]

I can't remember did any of the 2024 characters in Past Tense make an issue about Bashir being Middle Eastern?

The show never explicitly said Bashir was of middle eastern descent at all. It's just been presumed due to his last name, the actor's background and - eventually - the casting of his parents (though Brian George is arguably white, depending upon how people classify Jews from the Middle East).

 

[Airmandan]

The show never explicitly said Bashir was of middle eastern descent at all. It's just been presumed due to his last name, the actor's background and - eventually - the casting of his parents (though Brian George is arguably white, depending upon how people classify Jews from the Middle East).

that’s a whole new can of worms probably best avoided for now

 

[Yistaan]

If this watcher is mimicking Laris to make Picard comfortable with someone he recognizes, I still feel it's a better fit to bring in Gates McFadden for that part.

 

[zenophite]

I remember reading an anarcho-capitalist SF book in my teen years where everyone was automatically made a citizen after six months residence. No muss, no fuss.

I'd be interested to get the title/author if you happen to recall it.

Really though, if you support free markets/free trade, you should support free movement of peoples. It's the only logical check that workers have on the rights of employers in a libertarian system. Bosses are free to set up shop wherever they can get the lowest wages, and workers are free to migrate wherever they can get the highest wages. IIRC, it's even explicitly in The Wealth of Nations.

In an ideal system where everyone shares the same value system and overall culture perhaps, but that isn't the case with humanity at this stage so I don't think we are in a position for that to work. In Star Trek, humanity is depicted as a post-scarcity society and mono-cultural - everyone in general (with some small exceptions) has more-or-less the same value system. Of course even the concept and nature of work in such a society is different since it is no longer about providing for your needs.
Trek doesn't expand on the issue of how exactly Earth came to become one society but we can imagine that the aftermath of WW3 plus first contact with actual space aliens helped put things in perspective.

 

[Jayson1]

They want him to end up with Laris and Dr Crusher would bring up questions they don't want people asking. I suspect they would feel the show would be to much like TNG if he ended up with Crusher.

 

[Vasquez Rocks]

I gave it a 5 because of the Guinan thing. It just annoyed me the whole episode. Recasting her younger is what bugged me and ignoring Time's Arrow. I read an interview with the writers saying the timeline change is why Time's Arrow didn't happen. Okay, but Picard and the gang went back to 2024, three days before the change happens so umm... I haven't read through the whole thread yet. Maybe someone made more sense of it than the episode did.

 

[Jayson1]

I don't even know why they even bothered to use Guinan again if you can't use Whoppi. They could have just had the Borg Queen know where the Watcher is and then Juranti and her beam PIcard over their to the Watcher.

 

[Yistaan]

They want him to end up with Laris and Dr Crusher would bring up questions they don't want people asking. I suspect they would feel the show would be to much like TNG if he ended up with Crusher.

He's going to end up with neither of them. After getting hot and bothered by her younger self in 2024, Picard's going to return home and take it to the next level with Guinan. And because she already lived through these events, Guinan knew all along thus her barely concealed glee in the season premiere.