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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"

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He plays his music too loud and annoys the other people on the bus. I would have thought that was obvious.
Given his age and taste in music it's probably the only way he can hear it at this point.

I think some people have more of a problem with this because it isn't allegorical at all - it's set in our world, with our political and governmental institutions, so it comes across as a polemic. That's always going to turn some people off because they feel they're being lectured at, not entertained.

If it was set on planet Sigma Alpha IX and the Prebulicans were brutally arresting and deporting immigrants to Xecomi you probably wouldn't bat an eyelid.

But Star Trek has always had room for allegory and polemic, particularly DS9. I'm perfectly comfortable with this.

Our world is pretty shit for a lot of people and showing characters fight for a better one that they know can exist is pretty much Star Trek's mission statement.
Maybe they need to be lectured to then. Hiding the message behind a filter of scifi was too subtle because we've reached the point to where we're rounding people into camps as we're rapidly destroying the planet's ability to keep us alive. It's an active call to either create a better future or just stop considering yourself the good guys.
 
Possibility 1. Too busy killing off themselves and all other alien spieces to worry about killing whales. Some survived and probe was satisfied and left.

Possibility 2. Probe got wind of what all was going down on Earth and stayed the hell away. (Lock the doors, we're going past Earth!)

Possibility 3. Different timeline, any number of things could have happened to the probe. Maybe the Borg assimilatrd it.
 
Given his age and taste in music it's probably the only way he can hear it at this point.


Maybe they need to be lectured to then. Hiding the message behind a filter of scifi was too subtle because we've reached the point to where we're rounding people into camps as we're rapidly destroying the planet's ability to keep us alive. It's an active call to either create a better future or just stop considering yourself the good guys.
This. In the episode, they say Rios is being sent to a Sanctuary District along the border, and maybe by 2024 that's what they'll be called, but right now they're immigration camps, or concentration camps if one such as myself prefers, and they are Sanctuary Districts in every way except the 1990s direct allegory of concrete walls.

Oh, and another favorite line that I almost forgot:

Rios: "I pledge allegiance to the flag... they make you swear allegiance here?"

Not all empires are faraway nations with unwashed hordes champing at the bit to invade.
 
Possibility 1. Too busy killing off themselves and all other alien spieces to worry about killing whales. Some survived and probe was satisfied and left.

Possibility 2. Probe got wind of what all was going down on Earth and stayed the hell away. (Lock the doors, we're going past Earth!)

Possibility 3. Different timeline, any number of things could have happened to the probe. Maybe the Borg assimilatrd it.
Possibility 4. Picard has somehow traveled to OUR timeline where humpback whales survived extinction due to the release of Star Trek IV.
 
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Have always loved this episode.
 
IMHO the best political fiction is stuff that leaves you personally uncomfortable about some aspect of your own beliefs. If it's not challenging, it's not changing minds - just preaching to the choir.
A good point. I'd say that's one reason why the political aspects of Picard (and other shows) don't work for me is precisely what you say here - they cater to one the point of view almost exclusively and revel in the tropes and stereotypes inherent in that view.
 
A good point. I'd say that's one reason why the political aspects of Picard (and other shows) don't work for me is precisely what you say here - they cater to one the point of view almost exclusively and revel in the tropes and stereotypes inherent in that view.
Everything they showed are things actually happening. It would be more about one being uncomfortable with the state of things being depicted as happening, rather than that they are somehow fantastic or bent a certain way. If one is aware of the current political situation in the US, the show is accurately portraying that and letting you be the witness who chooses how to interpret it through your own filter.
 
Based on what we saw of the Confederation in Ep2, why does anyone think the Spock of this timeline would have wanted (or been allowed) to travel back in time to Earth, where he could have destroyed the Confederation before it was even conceived?
 
Everything they showed are things actually happening. It would be more about one being uncomfortable with the state of things being depicted as happening, rather than that they are somehow fantastic or bent a certain way. If one is aware of the current political situation in the US, the show is accurately portraying that and letting you be the witness who chooses how to interpret it through your own filter.

Well, I'm not as aware as those of you in the US, obviously.

It would seem my assumption that ICE is a fictional dystopian extra added to Homeland Security is incorrect, having just googled and seeing it's a thing.
 
Based on what we saw of the Confederation in Ep2, why does anyone think the Spock of this timeline would have wanted (or been allowed) to travel back in time to Earth, where he could have destroyed the Confederation before it was even conceived?
It doesn't seem likely that Spock would even exist in this timeline where humans are militant xenophobes.
 
A good point. I'd say that's one reason why the political aspects of Picard (and other shows) don't work for me is precisely what you say here - they cater to one the point of view almost exclusively and revel in the tropes and stereotypes inherent in that view.
Art is not required to be "fair and balanced". Artists, be they musicians, writers, filmmakers, painters or whatever, have a point of view. Their art will project and promote that point of view. You're free not to like it,
 
I haven't had time to post proper today. But, just for the punker alone -- which was fucking bad-ass by the way -- I'm giving this a 10. Yes, just for that reason! Love that character! "And I hate you!" "And I say SCREW YOU!!!"

But there are other reasons to give it a 10 too, like Seven and Raffi outrunning and escaping the cops, the Jurati/Borg Queen material, and finally learning why Picard has a British accent even though he's supposed to be French! It's about time. 10s all around.

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