Unnecessary.
Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard
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Gotta remember that one for the next rounds of "visuals don't matter"
But apparently "it's an emotional reaction" is the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free card that means you don't need to justify or explain anything
If you willingly acknowledge that your reaction isn't based on logic, that it's just a subjective aesthetic preference that's not motivated by a deeper logic, then you don't have to justify or explain anything, because there is nothing to justify or explain.
He just doesn't like a minor element of the episode because it pulls him out. He acknowledges that there are explanations that maintain the internal continuity of the story; he just doesn't like it, no deeper reason. He doesn't owe you an explanation for that.
I interpret it that there is a USS Sagan, and the Stargazer isn't the first Sagan class ship.
But the Stargazer is the first of a new class of ships - ships equipped with Borg tech.
There are refits, and then there are refits...
Most ships would get minor component upgrades and swap outs almost every time they put in to any maintenance facility. Only more major work would show as any obvious change in the ship's appearance.
I think that when you look at more comprehensive refits like the TMP Enterprise, you''ve got an almost entirely new ship, retaining only some core structural elements in recognition of the ship's illustrious history, perhaps simply out of tradition. We'll assume no significant changes in materials science since the original ship's launch that would make such a refit structurally compromised compared to any contemporary new builds.
In saying all this, I don't really care what the Excelsior in the Stargazer fleet shots represents refit-wise. I just want a better look at it. As far as Stargazer NCC-82893 being in anyway a refit of the ship Picard commanded, we might be talking about a bulkhead or two in common at most.
Most ships would get minor component upgrades and swap outs almost every time they put in to any maintenance facility. Only more major work would show as any obvious change in the ship's appearance.
I think that when you look at more comprehensive refits like the TMP Enterprise, you''ve got an almost entirely new ship, retaining only some core structural elements in recognition of the ship's illustrious history, perhaps simply out of tradition. We'll assume no significant changes in materials science since the original ship's launch that would make such a refit structurally compromised compared to any contemporary new builds.
In saying all this, I don't really care what the Excelsior in the Stargazer fleet shots represents refit-wise. I just want a better look at it. As far as Stargazer NCC-82893 being in anyway a refit of the ship Picard commanded, we might be talking about a bulkhead or two in common at most.
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I'm just going to state my opinion here while waving a flaming torch so I can shout "get back! Get back I say!" after I express this opinion:
Making the Stargazer a refit is a stupid idea. Really. I heard the line in the episode and thought it was a reference to that class of ship getting refitted with Borg parts. It's a completely different ship. Yes, before anyone says it, yes, I know, TMP Enterprise was almost a whole new different ship but it was a far more believable refit than this would be. At least you could guess that the shell of TOS Enterprise was there.
Making the Stargazer a refit is a stupid idea. Really. I heard the line in the episode and thought it was a reference to that class of ship getting refitted with Borg parts. It's a completely different ship. Yes, before anyone says it, yes, I know, TMP Enterprise was almost a whole new different ship but it was a far more believable refit than this would be. At least you could guess that the shell of TOS Enterprise was there.
Perhaps the USS Stargazer NCC-82893 started out as a run-of-the-mill Sagan class starship, then was refitted with Borg tech?
this is how I’ve decided to think about it
Oh yes, quite right…
Since we don’t know exactly how old the ship is (since they didn’t put that info in the dedication plaque), there’s no reason not to assume that she didn’t start out with the Borg tech.
But if I understand the interview on Trek Movie report correctly, it's not. It is a major refit of the original. Of Picard's old Stargazer.
Ah! USS Star Geezer, more like.
I think the ship's all-new. The original Stargazer has long since been decommissioned and become a museum ship or scrapped.
Immediately following that line Picard says “the older these refits get, the younger they look,” which would seem to verify that it is indeed a refit, and not a brand new vessel
And the initial “not my Stargazer” comment is recontextualized by referring to it as a refit. He could just as reasonably mean it’s changed so much that it’s no longer the ship he remembers, and not contradict the refit, which again, Picard referred to in the same scene/his next sentence.
Haha sometimes I think the writers put things like this in on purpose to get us all riled up. At the end of the day it really doesn’t matter if the story is good and the ship is cool. ST contradicts itself all the time - though not usually within 5 mins but there you go!
It’s the Stargazer now, totally new, totally old or blend of the two.
It’s the Stargazer now, totally new, totally old or blend of the two.
Oh for sure, it doesn’t make a whole lot of difference either way, and as always we’re all free to interpret it as we do!
It's not a Kitbash though lol. Kitbashes use parts direct from the other ships. This is just a ship in the style of another ship.
The only thing I dislike on it is the deflector area, the rest of the ship is beautiful
The new Stargazer is so radically different to Picard's ancient ship that the question should probably be "Is it a brand new ship, or a brand new ship that the original Stargazer donated some parts to?" It may actually have more in common with a Borg Cube than it does with a Constellation-class vessel.
