They are using STO and Eaglemoss 3D models for the fleet finally!At least 4 Sovereigns, 2 Akiras, 2 Lunas, and they all look unchanged.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x01 - "The Star Gazer"
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Also I wonder if they did the right thing and went and got the master CGI files that are used for Eaglemoss and just put those on the show for the 2370s ships. Quick and cheap way to build a huge fleet with minimal work. Those files are good enough for 4k productions and would prevent inaccuracies being introduced by reproducing them again for some reason.
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the excelsior variant is an Obena class it was first seen in the season 2 Lower decks finale.
They put it up a few minutes after Disco
Its quite obvious they did. The fleet has a couple of STO refits of various ships and even some of the original STO designs too.
It took 25 years and the end of Rick Berman's involvement in Star Trek, but we finally got the Sovereign class in a fleet on TV, folks.
(for folks who don't know what I'm talking about, they refused to put the Sovereign class in DS9's fleet battles or at the end of Voyager, because they wanted to keep the movie "hero ship" reserved for the big screen productions and not cross pollinate... a pretty stupid idea imo)
Then it would have Sovereign pylons and nacelles, so it's not that
Yeah looking at the stills I see it now. I was so excited watching it I didn't notice. Considering that the 2000 polygon ships of the Battle of Sector 001 still look great in UHD, I'd think the 110,000 polygon Star Trek Online ships would work perfectly well at a distance for fleet filler. THey should have done it over the that tacky thing they did with the Inquiry class and its variant last season.
Exactly my thought and it seems like they heard our input there and not only did so but likely saved money doing so. Just seemed like an unnecessary waste to make a a completely new design that was slightly altered then copy-pasted in the same scene.
One thing that went through my mind watching this episode.
When we saw Discovery Season 2, I knew a "Captain Pike on the Enterprise" show was coming the moment we saw the Enterprise Bridge. That was a lavishly produced multi-million dollar set. It had more detailing and design considerations into it than anything else Discovery did up to that point for guest ships and sets, and was beyond even the Nemesis bridge in production values. It was an extraordinary expense for about 10 minutes of screen time. I knew then and there, they did the old spin-off trick of breaking up costs - Discovery's S2 budget bought the new show it's most most important and expensive set.
I'm wondering the same of the Stargazer. I'm guessing we're not going to be back there now until the last episode of the season? We again, going to be spending multi-million dollars on a set (sets actually... the ready room, the corridor, the turbolift) that get about 10 minutes of screentime? Not a chance.
They'll use it in Season 3 as the Stargazer and they're going to do an early 25th century show once Picard wraps after Season 3. A continuation of the "24th century era" Star Trek, minus Patrick Stewart, who will be 84, and with less lean on Berman-era Trek actors, I'll lay money on it.
When we saw Discovery Season 2, I knew a "Captain Pike on the Enterprise" show was coming the moment we saw the Enterprise Bridge. That was a lavishly produced multi-million dollar set. It had more detailing and design considerations into it than anything else Discovery did up to that point for guest ships and sets, and was beyond even the Nemesis bridge in production values. It was an extraordinary expense for about 10 minutes of screen time. I knew then and there, they did the old spin-off trick of breaking up costs - Discovery's S2 budget bought the new show it's most most important and expensive set.
I'm wondering the same of the Stargazer. I'm guessing we're not going to be back there now until the last episode of the season? We again, going to be spending multi-million dollars on a set (sets actually... the ready room, the corridor, the turbolift) that get about 10 minutes of screentime? Not a chance.
They'll use it in Season 3 as the Stargazer and they're going to do an early 25th century show once Picard wraps after Season 3. A continuation of the "24th century era" Star Trek, minus Patrick Stewart, who will be 84, and with less lean on Berman-era Trek actors, I'll lay money on it.
This era has always been home to me. I have lost track of the number of times I've boasted about how the TNG series premiere back in 1987 was the first thing on TV in front of me after I was born. 2364 through 2379, all of it, it's always felt good. Nostalgia is a hell of a thing.
I'm so happy to be back. The world feels at once familiar and surprising, in ways I never anticipated.
I think my one knock is that they went and killed Zhabon between seasons (within months or even weeks of the season one finale, even, judging by the dialogue) to give the Picard/Laris thing some wheels. It was precisely what I feared would happen. Laris is awesome, but bleh, she's gotta be 30 years his junior. Just not what I was hoping to see here, as much as it felt inevitable heading into tonight.
But everything else was terrific. Hell, I even feel like Jurati's writing has improved substantially. Found her to be a complete weak link last time.
Oh, and y'all! Give that new Seven/Raffi audiobook a listen. Jeri Ryan and Michelle Hurd are fantastic in it together.
I'm so happy to be back. The world feels at once familiar and surprising, in ways I never anticipated.
I think my one knock is that they went and killed Zhabon between seasons (within months or even weeks of the season one finale, even, judging by the dialogue) to give the Picard/Laris thing some wheels. It was precisely what I feared would happen. Laris is awesome, but bleh, she's gotta be 30 years his junior. Just not what I was hoping to see here, as much as it felt inevitable heading into tonight.
But everything else was terrific. Hell, I even feel like Jurati's writing has improved substantially. Found her to be a complete weak link last time.
Oh, and y'all! Give that new Seven/Raffi audiobook a listen. Jeri Ryan and Michelle Hurd are fantastic in it together.
Well that was certainly better than that train wreck of a season one. Are they trying to imply that Picard’s dad was abusive? That seems a bit much. I know he was ”tough” but to say that was the reason he didn’t have a long relationship seems rather uninspired.
Was that the same Excelsior? That ship certainly had a long life.
Was that the same Excelsior? That ship certainly had a long life.
Still looked a bit off. I feel like they could have done better there. We have seen it done better in other things.That was as predictable as it was nice
I think it brings new consideration to how important the Eaglemoss CGI archive is now. The original miniatures from the 80s and 90s are largely all sold off and scattered. They original CGI from the shows is out there in a few discrete hands, but largely out of date for modern productions. The process of making those Eaglemoss books allowed a handful of seasoned Trek-lore attuned artists to take nearly every ship ever featured in Star Trek and give them new, high def CGI. Sometimes that meant fixing an old error or modest upgrade to an old mesh. Sometimes it meant a full rebuild. But it exists. It's the effective digital legacy of the 24th century century that's not only been directly transferred to Star Trek Online (usually with simplification for a real time video game), but now directly to a new show, to be called on as needed.
It's like what Lucasfilm/ILM started to do with the post-ROTJ Star Wars productions. They realized they had this entire archive of CGI art of ships and vehicles,... so they might as well freaking use it.
This is pretty great because I remember a much younger me, being on this same Trek BBS (with my long lost original account) in the 1990s saying this is exactly what Star Trek should do.
Is it just me that in the 2nd image, the ship near the bottom below the Kaplan...and in the final image on the left below the Sovereign and right above the nacelle of the Inquiry is a ship from Discovery. It looks like a Shepard class like the USS Kerala. With perhaps modified engines.At least 4 Sovereigns, 2 Akiras, 2 Lunas, and they all look unchanged.
I gave it an 8. Was pretty good but I really wasn't a fan of the sudden childhood DV backstory for him. It just seemed so out of the blue and contrary to how he explained his childhood, when he did.
It is. Its called the Gagarin Class in STO.
