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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x10 - "The Galactic Barrier"

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I suspect Kovich keeps a Police Box in his office. The man is the Federation's Resident Geek. He's got vintage tech up the wazoo and knows more about alternate and probable realities than anyone else alive. It's no surprise he alludes to the Ballad of Gilligan's Island with the expectation that no one else will get it but him. A private delight. He seems to straddle the worlds of the past and present, with two eyes glancing sideways into other realms. It's all Cronenberg can do to keep from breaking the fourth wall by gazing at the camera and winking at the audience.

His infodumps are music to my ears. Like Jett Reno's zingers, I'm left wanting many, many more.
 
Also I'm a bit confused, why is Debris a threat to Earth when Discovery established that Earth has that giant shield and thousands of defense platforms surrounding it?
 
Also, was anyone else annoyed that Discovery was cheerfully at warp at the end with detached nacelles? The show can't even keep its own damn continuity straight, never mind anything else's.
I think the nacelles are supposed to be detached during warp. They only reconnect when the ship's about to spore jump.

Also I'm a bit confused, why is Debris a threat to Earth when Discovery established that Earth has that giant shield and thousands of defense platforms surrounding it?
I guess Earth's defence shield would probably be about as effective as Discovery's defence shield against a force that powerful.
 
Also I'm a bit confused, why is Debris a threat to Earth when Discovery established that Earth has that giant shield and thousands of defense platforms surrounding it?

If the Moon goes, Earth is screwed. No surface noise now, not much to say. We got the bad guys on the run. Um, yeah. Earth's rotation will radically alter for the worse and erase civilization. The DMA will go through our satellite like a bulldozer through Arthur Dent.
 
As for the galactic barrier, I guess some Federation history has been lost in the intervening 900 years because Kirk & Co with the help of the Kelvin's safely and easily passed through the barrier, and you would think that Federation history would record that fact, and further that the techniques used to safely rraverse the barrier ( and whatever modifications were made to the 1701 to accomplish the feat), would be known in the 32nd century. And there also was the fact that the SS Valiant also managed to penetrate the barrier to enter extra-galactic in the 22nd century and even managed to re-enter the barrier and make it back to Galactic space without being crippled by the attempt. The captain of the Valiant destroyed his ship to prevent an esper that was affected in the same way Gary Mitchell was from being loosed on the Galaxy.

I don't think the information was lost (otherwise, they also wouldn't have known the barrier existed in the first place or what it could do to a ship). I think the writers simply chose to ignore these pieces of info to make things more 'dramatic' for Disco... which is utter nonsense because the hull materials ships use in the 32nd century would be far superior to the ones in the 23rd... and likely offer a 'natural' protection of sorts against all kind of phenomena... the barrier included. Unless it was somehow augmented by the 32nd century.

I was also disappointed that they did a completely different visual representation of the barrier when honestly, the upgrade they did for TOS-R would have worked just fine. One really has to wonder why they feel the need to reimagine the visuals on every single thing in the Star Trek universe even when it's a natural phenomenon that's appeared various times before. I guess this visual effects team really hates TOS.

Well, Disco did jump 930 years into the future... perhaps the barrier when accessed from the ship's vantage point in the galaxy is a bit different compared to the vantage point used in TOS.

One thing I still do enjoy about Discovery and kurtzman Trek in general is that they have gotten away from the Berman era trope of the science and engineering depts being able to accurately predict and everything accurately. I enjoyed the fact that no they didn't manage to 5 light-years from the barrier; that there were elements that the sensor scans didn't account for, and that Stemmons couldn't give an absolutely reliable answer as to how long the ship or the shields would last given the situation.

Absolute precision wasn't always a thing in Berman era Trek either... but when they did, that was one thing I liked about Berman era Trek actually, because their sensors were said to be able to scan down to the subatomic, can scan in real time across lightyears of space (at least in the 24th century).
It seems that use of subspace for technological augmentation effects has been largely dropped by the 32nd century for whatever reason.

Remember that it was mentioned in Ds9 that ships generate a low level subspace field around themselves to lower their inertial mass, allowing ships to achieve high sub-light speeds (at least 75 000 km/s - but higher velocities than that while at impulse were aslo noted).
This also allows a large ship to effectively gain really high maneuvarebility/agility which is usually seen on very small craft... hence why large UFP ships could make 90/360 degree turns very fast/easily.

Whereas in the 32nd century, Saru mentioned that the nacelles were detached from the main hull specifically to improve the ship's maneuvarebility.

This tells me that the 24th century was more advanced than the 32nd... at least in certain respects.

Also, anomalies and certain parts of space managed to shut down Warp drive or other propulsion methods before an intended destination was reached.
The Barrier by itself is anomalous, so that kind of an effect is not new.

I would have preferred the writers stuck with what was established and create a different type of 'struggle' to portray while crossing the barrier... but this is something we cannot expect from Disco writers because, this is actually worse than even the TOS 23rd century... which is really getting on my nerves.
 
If the Moon goes, Earth is screwed. No surface noise now, not much to say. We got the bad guys on the run. Um, yeah. Earth's rotation will radically alter for the worse and erase civilization. The DMA will go through our satellite like a bulldozer through Arthur Dent.
I am going to guess that you forgot that this is Star Trek Earth we are talking about.

What with bringing up things that would only be a problem for planets that don't have Weather Control networks and the ability to just replace the moon with a gravity generator...
 
No, that's not true. I started early last year, I know that, cos I was the one who revealed it from leaked documents I obtained from an insider. Early last year was the time when Discovery season 4 had just been written.
"Early last year"? You yourself posted about Starfleet Academy being set on New Earth in this post from May 2020:
Starfleet Academy is set on 'New Earth', whatever that may mean...
According to Wikipedia, writing of season 4 didn't begin until August 2020. So if we're to believe you, the writers had a plan to destroy Earth at least three months before writing the season even began.
 
I was also disappointed that they did a completely different visual representation of the barrier when honestly, the upgrade they did for TOS-R would have worked just fine. One really has to wonder why they feel the need to reimagine the visuals on every single thing in the Star Trek universe even when it's a natural phenomenon that's appeared various times before. I guess this visual effects team really hates TOS.
Especially when the so called upgrade is something so unremarkable and forgettable.

I think the nacelles are supposed to be detached during warp. They only reconnect when the ship's about to spore jump.
they used to reattach at warp in season 3.
 
I think the nacelles are supposed to be detached during warp. They only reconnect when the ship's about to spore jump.

Nope. "That Hope Is You, Part 2" makes it clear that the nacelles reattach for warp, which makes sense given that the single warp core is in the main body of the ship. As you'll recall they used a explosive device to make the ship drop out of warp by forcibly detaching the starboard nacelle – keep an eye on the port nacelle. Then in the very final scene we see both nacelles reattach immediately before the ship jumping to warp.
 
So wait, having the nacelles further out makes the ship more manoeuvrable when they're not in warp? Man, I'll never get my head around future science.

I find the detached nacelles to be a really strange concept. The closest we get to an explanation as to why they detach is Saru stating that it "enhances manoeuvrability". This only makes sense if we were to see things like the ship doing extreme manoeuvres and the nacelles moving independently of the main hull, like drones; which honestly would be quite cool, especially as we know nacelles are extremely massive and account for somewhere between 10% and 25% of a starship's mass. But they don't.

The other explanation that would have made sense would be for 32nd century nacelles to be fully self-contained units with integrated warp cores and fuel sources; in the event that a second Burn were to happen the nacelles would be destroyed but the main body of the ship would survive. But we see this is also not the case, because the warp core is still in secondary hull.

It bugs me it's being done because "it looks cool" but nobody's apparently thought about a proper reason for it.
 
I suspect Kovich keeps a Police Box in his office. The man is the Federation's Resident Geek. He's got vintage tech up the wazoo and knows more about alternate and probable realities than anyone else alive. It's no surprise he alludes to the Ballad of Gilligan's Island with the expectation that no one else will get it but him. A private delight. He seems to straddle the worlds of the past and present, with two eyes glancing sideways into other realms. It's all Cronenberg can do to keep from breaking the fourth wall by gazing at the camera and winking at the audience.

His infodumps are music to my ears. Like Jett Reno's zingers, I'm left wanting many, many more.

Kovich is by far my favourite Discovery character.
 
I find the detached nacelles to be a really strange concept. The closest we get to an explanation as to why they detach is Saru stating that it "enhances manoeuvrability". This only makes sense if we were to see things like the ship doing extreme manoeuvres and the nacelles moving independently of the main hull, like drones; which honestly would be quite cool, especially as we know nacelles are extremely massive and account for somewhere between 10% and 25% of a starship's mass. But they don't.

The other explanation that would have made sense would be for 32nd century nacelles to be fully self-contained units with integrated warp cores and fuel sources; in the event that a second Burn were to happen the nacelles would be destroyed but the main body of the ship would survive. But we see this is also not the case, because the warp core is still in secondary hull.

It bugs me it's being done because "it looks cool" but nobody's apparently thought about a proper reason for it.

The detached nacelles idea is really stupid. And it doesn’t look cool.
 
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