It helps that the comics only come out monthly, so you're not really getting much in-universe time passing each real life year.
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Either every show is in the same continuity, Kelvinverse notwithstanding, or every show is in their own individual alternate reality. There is no middle ground. You can't hold something against modern trek that's been prevalent throughout Trek's entire history.
Eh, it's possible that if somebody where to attempt to construct a timeline (which I'm sure someone, somewhere on the internet did, many times over) that would be cancelled out by all the storylines that have time-skips in their narrative, or where the first page informs us that it's "6 months later" or "one year later" than the last issue. Or issues where it's suddenly winter when the preceding and following issues take place during generic "warm spring-summer-early fall times" etc.
Point is there's a floating timeline and everything takes place in the same universe (though DC is a bit more experimental with their timelines)
I guess it is all in how you see the ship of Theseus.
Nope. Superman canon in the Silver/Bronze Age was that the Golden Age character's exploits took place on a parallel Earth. Then there was hard reboot of Superman continuity in the '80s after Crisis on Infinite Earths, which had none of the character's previous history in continuity. There have been other hard and soft reboots since then, mostly after my time.
And of course, every adaptation in other media has taken place in its own continuity...and that started very early for Supes, as he was spinning off into newspapers strips, a radio series, and theatrical cartoons within a few years of his comic book debut.
In the end, the canon and continuity of Star Trek are not a matter of popularity vote. They are whatever the current holders of the IP decide they are. This ain't a democracy.
In any case, my example with the X-Men stands. It's the same universe from X-Men one to....eh whatever re-launch number they have right now on Krakoa.
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not a Superman Fan and even of DC I only have vague ideas. But I did write later that DC seems more experimental with their timeline.Plus haven't they had several continuity...restructures...since Crisis on Infinitive Earths that re-inserted parts into the general continuity?
In any case, my example with the X-Men stands. It's the same universe from X-Men one to....eh whatever re-launch number they have right now on Krakoa.
That stuff is called "window dressing" and aren't very important to the big picture. Comics refer to it as a sliding timeline. So if Peter Parker is in bellbottoms and a BeeGee's t shirt and sporting sideburns in a story published in the 1970s, he's not going to be wearing them in a flashback to that story published in 2022. And there's nothing wrong with that.
I could get into all sorts of picayune detail, but even when the current continuity "brings back" out-of-continuity characters, as with the Golden Age characters via the Earth-2 device, there tend to be differences. There's an argument to be made that the Earth-2 Superman was, continuity-wise, a separate character from the one published in the Golden Age. In an effort to better differentiate him from the Silver Age version, various early installment weirdness aspects of the character were brought back and considered to have been part of the Earth-2 version's continuity all along--the Daily Star, editor George Tyler, adult Luthor with hair. In the character's actual publishing history, the Daily Planet, editor Perry White, and bald Luthor were all in place by 1941.
I see it as part of the whole, so when you change it, you change the story as a whole.
YMMV.
Yeah, terms Golden Age and Earth-2 tend to confuse things. To my mind "Golden Age" is when the comics were made. "Earth-2" a place were (some) the stories take place. Superboy is an interesting anomaly. He debuts in the Golden Age (1945) yet is usually considered a Silver Age and Earth 1 character. The actual shift between the Golden and Silver Age is up for debate. Some citing the first appearance of the Martian Manhunter (1955) as the beginning of the Silver Age. Others might cite Captain Comet (1951). Though the books featuring Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman continued with out a hitch, so it's hard to pin down when they began being Silver Age or Earth 1 characters. Others have a proposed an interregnum between the two with the Golden Age ending with the JSA's last appearance (March 1951) and the Silver Age starting with Martian Manhunter's debut in 1955.
Mine certainly does.
Does it matter what clothes Peter is wearing if the story is about stopping the Scorpion from robbing the bank were Aunt May is making a withdrawl?
Sure it does. Can Peter alert Aunt May in some manner, can he alert authorities in some manner? Things that are far different today than they were in the 1970's. How does the author of the 1970's story see authority and crime generally? When you lived informs how you write a story. Just like there wouldn't be much mystery in "The Conscience of the King" because we have DNA now, which was just a blip on the horizon when the story was written. With the consolidation of banking branches and changes in technology, why would Aunt May even need to go to the bank when she can get cash at the grocery and handle pretty much everything else over the phone.
When a story is written can have quite the impact on how it is written.
I don't have a problem with people seeing things how they want in regards to this stuff, I do have a problem with the implication that I'm somehow disrespecting the authors because I simply don't see it the same way as they do.
It's an action oriented comic starring Spider-man. Spidey's gonna stop the Scorpion himself, not dial 911 on his iPhone. That's never gonna change.
My mother still goes to the bank. OTOH, I haven't set foot in a bank in years.
It's an action oriented comic starring Spider-man. Spidey's gonna stop the Scorpion himself, not dial 911 on his iPhone. That's never gonna change.
My mother still goes to the bank. OTOH, I haven't set foot in a bank in years.
It would be neglect to not alert authorities en route. People could be hurt and his taking a second to inform people might save lives.
Indeed, the actual publishing history of the characters who where continuously published between the Golden and Silver Ages was more of an ongoing soft reboot as older elements were contradicted. The distinction between the older and then-current versions of the characters was established after the fact as a retcon.
It's Peter Parker. He probably broke his cell and couldn't pay the bill anyway.It would be neglect to not alert authorities en route. People could be hurt and his taking a second to inform people might save lives.
Ah, the 70s When villains went funkadelic.
I really wouldn't use comic characters as a point of reference. Even in the early days of these characters they would appear and be drawn by different artists who wouldn't draw the character in the same exact way . And that doesn't even touch upon the same artist drawing the same character and not maintaining the same level of detail from panel to panel. Or the change that over time an artist makes to their own style in drawing the same character. Then you have the production side and how that impacts changes not only between issues but even on occasion the same issues. From shortage of one of the colors during the color serpsrating process, to getting someone else doing it, or even generic printing errors that occurred and far more often back in the early days of the industry.
Even characters that have only been drawn by one artist if the characters has lasted any real length of time will feature some level of change to them, and Heaven forbid that you have an artist that uses a lot of line detail, because the degree that character will change based on just who is inking that book will be dramatic.
Or how different characters will appear in the same book that has multiple artist working on it, with it being a singular story.
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Canon is dumb.
Continuity is a fool's errand.
Continuity is a fool's errand.
