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Nope, definitely not. But most of these people will not listen to reason. Only their own worldview matters. If they get sick, they'll still end up blaming the system for not keeping them safe. Go figure.
Oh, here's a fun story. A local nursing student in her 4th and final year applied for a vaccine exemption at the University due to religious beliefs and was flatly denied, while she said the government has accepted her exemption. Because of her unwillingness to vaccinate, the university has refunded her and kicked her off the campus.
When questioned as to her religious views on the vaccine, she says:
Oh really...
They're personal religious beliefs now?Then she says:
If you don't think the benefits clearly outweigh the risks at this point, then you're clearly delusional. "More harm than good'.
Please! 
Religion will only get you so far, and certainly won't protect you from a virus. Continuing down a path like this can only lead to much greater harm down the road due to selfish reasons.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/Nope, definitely not. But most of these people will not listen to reason. Only their own worldview matters. If they get sick, they'll still end up blaming the system for not keeping them safe. Go figure.
Oh, here's a fun story. A local nursing student in her 4th and final year applied for a vaccine exemption at the University due to religious beliefs and was flatly denied, while she said the government has accepted her exemption. Because of her unwillingness to vaccinate, the university has refunded her and kicked her off the campus.
When questioned as to her religious views on the vaccine, she says:
Oh really...
Then she says:
If you don't think the benefits clearly outweigh the risks at this point, then you're clearly delusional. "More harm than good'.
5241 deaths within the 18 to 29 bracket, in the US.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/
94 deaths within the 20 to 29 bracket, in Canada.
(I'm agreeing with you.)
We all do what we have to do. It's a shame that there are so many that don't seem to think it applies to them.
Maybe if I think hard enough, I can come up with some vaguely-defined personal "religious belief" that I don't feel comfortable explaining to others that would allow me to take a day off with pay tomorrow.
Positive Covid test tonight.. Me Kim tested together.. She was negative she is testing again on Saturday both of us in 5 days of quarantine.. We get time together ..
Sorry to hear about your positive result, @think.
I hope it's only a mild case and you recover quickly. Best wishes.
I hope you're feeling okay.Positive Covid test tonight.. Me Kim tested together.. She was negative she is testing again on Saturday both of us in 5 days of quarantine.. We get time together ..
Yeah, like a religious belief against having to go to school or not being allowed to go to work.
"My religion prevents me from going to work. Like, it's my personal religious belief and I don't have to justify it to anyone."
Yeah, like a religious belief against having to go to school or not being allowed to go to work.
"My religion prevents me from going to work. Like, it's my personal religious belief and I don't have to justify it to anyone."
There's aKing of The Hill episode about this.
Nope, definitely not. But most of these people will not listen to reason. Only their own worldview matters. If they get sick, they'll still end up blaming the system for not keeping them safe. Go figure.
Oh, here's a fun story. A local nursing student in her 4th and final year applied for a vaccine exemption at the University due to religious beliefs and was flatly denied, while she said the government has accepted her exemption. Because of her unwillingness to vaccinate, the university has refunded her and kicked her off the campus.
When questioned as to her religious views on the vaccine, she says:
Oh really...
Then she says:
people use
If you don't think the benefits clearly outweigh the risks at this point, then you're clearly delusional. "More harm than good'.
Surely a reasonable person would examine risk something like this
What are the risk of me dying if I catch it, whilst being unvaccinated vs whay's the risk of me dying from it if I am vaccinated or dying from receiving tje vaccine. I suspect the first one has the highest risk exposed to it.
But then again some people will use faulty reasoning for working mortality rates, they'll do something like this
Total population divided by deaths = mortality rate rather than the more correct total number of infections divide by deaths to work it out.
Then of course with Covid people could be asympotomatic and not know they have it and as such increase the risk of exposing others to it.
People are free to have their religious beliefs the issue comes when people try to impose those on others on. You can support X because of your religion but that doesn't give you the right to try and impose X on others who might not share those beliefs.
I think people would have less of an issue with it if it weren't so vague. The person not even willing to reveal her views and then going on about how getting the vaccine and how it would hinder her spiritual fulfillment is just one excuse after another. And the whole young and in perfect health is an old tired argument that's been around since the beginning of the pandemic. You're healthy until you're not. Being young has nothing to do with it since it's been demonstrated that the vaccine doesn't discriminate between age groups.
In normal circumstances, exemptions would make more sense, but we're in a pandemic and it just seems to be there's a group that prefer to not consider the facts. That's why religious exemptions are rather dangerous in this case.
Interestingly, about belief, this is what she's said:
That sounds like somewhat of a contradiction on her behalf. If you're not willing to step to the plate, then maybe it's time to consider whether the profession is the right one.
https://www.sudbury.com/membership/...not-recognizing-her-vaccine-exemption-4994609
I assumed this was Christian Scientists objecting to needles.
No, they're cool with vaccines apparently.
There is this however...
Reminds me of Death Walker from Babylon 5.
"For one person to live forever, another must die."
Also there's that NAZI medical research/vivisection that people wanted to suppress even after it was used to create life saving drugs and procedures, decades after the fall of Berlin.
Fruit of a poison tree.
No, they're cool with vaccines apparently.
There is this however...
Reminds me of Death Walker from Babylon 5.
"For one person to live forever, another must die."
Also there's that NAZI medical research/vivisection that people wanted to suppress even after it was used to create life saving drugs and procedures, decades after the fall of Berlin.
Fruit of a poison tree.
Sorry to hear about your positive result, @think.
probably mild it was really bad all day wednesday --- thursday I tested positive but felt better with less body aches -- today almost no body aches the headaches are gone but my cough is bad and throat was incredibly sore getting up -- after eating some soup my throat is fine.
Personally, I don't think it is good to trivialize people's viewpoint about not wanting to get the vaccine for religious reasons. It is very easy to dismiss these people until you care about someone who feels this way. I know more than one person who has chosen significant personal harm in rejecting to vaccine. Some have lost their job and lively-hood. Some have had to pick up and move to other US states that are less restrictive. Some have been rejected by their family and friends. They also (knowingly) place themselves (and yes, I know others too) at greater risk to COVID and hence death. It is not reasonable to watch people choose in this difficult way and accuse them of not being serious about their convictions.
I'm not saying that there are not some people who abuse the idea of a "religious exemption", but I think all people deserve the benefit of the doubt unless it is clear they are not serious with real evidence.
One person I know (with family) lost hundreds of thousands of dollars selling their business and home, missed out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in business and is starting fresh in another state. It will be a long time before they have recovered financially and socially. The emotional toll on them is immense and this person was very bitter at being "turned-in" and forced to shut down.
I can tell you this person did a lot of good for other people in his life and will continue to do so somewhere else. He was - "bitter, but now he is better". Maybe you are bitter at his "type", but, if so, I ask you to consider getting better.
The good and worth of a person is not limited to this one choice that others don't agree with. For the record, I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, wear a mask and I'm extra careful. I don't agree with the reasoning of those that reject the vaccine. But I don't judge them and the ones I know are less selfish than I am and do more good for others than I do. Maybe it comes with a slight extra risk of getting COVID, but there are a lot of risks in living.
I know so many people, fully vaccinate and wearing masks, that are spreading this omicron like crazy. The few people with religious objections should not be the scapegoats. There is another group of people who don't get vaccinated, also in the minority. They can't take the vaccine because of allergic reactions. Do we reject them too? Send them to other states? Or, make a "leper colony" for them?
I'm not saying that there are not some people who abuse the idea of a "religious exemption", but I think all people deserve the benefit of the doubt unless it is clear they are not serious with real evidence.
One person I know (with family) lost hundreds of thousands of dollars selling their business and home, missed out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in business and is starting fresh in another state. It will be a long time before they have recovered financially and socially. The emotional toll on them is immense and this person was very bitter at being "turned-in" and forced to shut down.
I can tell you this person did a lot of good for other people in his life and will continue to do so somewhere else. He was - "bitter, but now he is better". Maybe you are bitter at his "type", but, if so, I ask you to consider getting better.
The good and worth of a person is not limited to this one choice that others don't agree with. For the record, I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, wear a mask and I'm extra careful. I don't agree with the reasoning of those that reject the vaccine. But I don't judge them and the ones I know are less selfish than I am and do more good for others than I do. Maybe it comes with a slight extra risk of getting COVID, but there are a lot of risks in living.
I know so many people, fully vaccinate and wearing masks, that are spreading this omicron like crazy. The few people with religious objections should not be the scapegoats. There is another group of people who don't get vaccinated, also in the minority. They can't take the vaccine because of allergic reactions. Do we reject them too? Send them to other states? Or, make a "leper colony" for them?
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My apologies if my earlier post regarding the nursing student came across as insensitive to people's religious beliefs. That was not my intent.
I do feel, however, that if you think you have a valid claim to a religious exemption, that you should be able to articulate what your beliefs are, and why receiving a vaccine is contrary to them. There are apparently very few denominations that actually oppose vaccination, so this situation shouldn't really even come up all that often. If your beliefs are more stringent than what your religion actually prescribes, then the onus should be on you to show what your beliefs are, and why vaccination is a problem for you. In my mind, "it will hinder my spiritual growth, but I don't want to talk about why" is not a valid excuse for an exemption.
"Religion" should not be a blanket generic excuse for when you don't want to do something. It should also not be used as a cover if you've been reading too much crazy on Facebook.
Of course not. There are certainly people who cannot take the vaccines for valid medical reasons. My heart goes out to them. We do not reject them. What we do, is that all of us who are medically able, actually get vaccinated, in order to try to reduce the transmission of the virus, and reduce the incidences of further mutation, to the best of our ability. In this way, we all do our part to help protect those of us who cannot take the vaccines themselves.
Oh, no need to apologize. I wasn't responding based on your comments or anyone else's here in the thread. I would have quoted a specific thing if it bothered me. I've been disturbed lately at some things I've seen locally where I live and some things I've heard people say in person.
This is a difficult issue and I wanted to give food for thought into this thread. The other point of view was not something I thought about until this affected me personally.
This. The problem is that she expected to receive an exemption and when questioned as to her viewpoint, she just offered a very vague and defensive reply, which then makes it sound like she has something to hide, which in most similar cases means they don't have a very good valid reason. Even if it is her religious belief, one would hope they could see reason as to why it would be better to make an informed decision to get vaccinated, because I do think going down a path due to religion can be just as harmful. Especially in a profession where you're seeing sick people, one would think health and safety would trump personal belief.
I do have a friend who I've seen multiple times over the last several years, and she has a pretty severe list of allergies and when she had her first vaccine, it turned out she had a pretty bad reaction. She still wanted to be protected though and her doctor told her they would watch her closely. She never ended up getting an exemption though.
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