I wouldn't mind that as well, but all of the work and effort had to be earned by humans and zero help from Vulcans or any other Extraterrestrial.
Would like to see Enterprise come back…
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It gets around the cast being too old whenever its decided to show the Earth-Romulan War. And is a lot more satisfying then saying they were on Risa, like the Star Trek: The Beginning script suggested.
Which is nuts to me. Since a Short Treks could be made about Phlox dealing with something at Federation HQ – choosing to defend Denobulan eugenics to the Federation Council at a time when the Denobula is considered for membership, and the Federation is hesitant to accept them because of the Eugenics Wars - and then make Denobulan eugenics the threat of the season for DIS. Or make a follow up to “Dear Doctor” for SNW and he makes an appearance there.
Similarly, Phlox’s son Mettus could be brought in for SNW, since he’s never been seen onscreen before.
In any case, I’m not thinking about Enterprise too much right now. Whenever they get around to it, I suppose.
But nobody is making any TV shows or films about the Earth-Romulan War, so there is nothing to indicate the NX-01 crew didn't fight in the war. So there's no reason to make "they were stranded during the war" canon.
Yeah, absolutely. Nobody should assume a first draft script of a movie that was never made was in any way part of the Star Trek continuity. Even the writer acknowledged it was just a first draft and changes would likely be made along the road, as happens in any script. I do agree I always scoffed at the notion that the Enterprise crew was somehow stranded on Risa for the duration of the war.
I've read the post-Enterprise novels and they are part of the continuity I follow for the Romulan War, at least if/until something in canon covers that period. In those novels the NX-01 was involved in the war, though not always on the front lines. Long story short after the events of the Aenar episodes of Enterprise the Romulans develop a computer virus that makes the NX-01 ships susceptible to being remotely controlled (partly because of their heavily integrated systems). So during the first years of the war Starfleet had to return to the Daedalus class of starships, upgrade them and use them on the front lines. Eventually, of course, the NX-01 is able to return to the front lines after Starfleet adapts. But the novels do a decent job explaining two things, why the war was fought with more primitive ships and it also throws a nod to why now the original series ships 'appeared' more primitive in some ways (the systems are less integrated for instance), even though they were in reality more advanced. Of course those books were written several years before Discovery was even conceived, which obviously reimaged the original series era.
There are two pivotal events in Star Trek history that we have never seen on screen and have very limited knowledge of in canon. World War III, and the Romulan War. Particularly the latter war is interesting because it directly led to the creation of the Federation. The original plan was for a trilogy of films covering the war. But honestly it would have been difficult to have a successful motion picture about the Romulan War that didn't feature any cast from any show at all (it was going to include a few guest characters from Enterprise like Shran, but mostly it'd be all original characters). It would have been a hard sell I think, unless you got some sort of all star cast to draw people in and they somehow marketed it in such a way to draw people in. Honestly probably a telemovie would have made more sense for that.
But I don't see it happening now. The current show runners are more interested in shows during the original series era and post-Nemesis era (and of course the 32nd century for Discovery). I don't see anything to indicate they are looking back at the Enterprise era at all.
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I would love to see them back in some form, maybe a mini series, or three film project
But. . . . . . .
They have simply been away for too long, no writer in the world could get round the amount of time passed, and the ageing of the cast
I read on here that Jolene in particular, had retired from acting
But. . . . . . .
They have simply been away for too long, no writer in the world could get round the amount of time passed, and the ageing of the cast
I read on here that Jolene in particular, had retired from acting
She married a zillionaire and now runs her own charitable foundation. I don’t think she’s acted in a decade.
Indeed! In point of fact, her husband, Michael Rapino, is the CEO of LiveNation, which makes the Rapinos two of the most powerful people in the entertainment industry. She has moved far beyond the world of niche genre television in terms of wealth and power.
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You had me scratching my head for a minute... It's Michael Rapino!
D'oh!
Yeah, I do agree at this point I would like a break. It's just a shame that the Romulan War was such a pivotal moment in Star Trek history that we have never seen and it has not been shown on screen before now. But the time to have done that would probably have been not long after Enterprise left the air. A motion picture about it would have been a tough sell I think, but it's a shame they never considered something on TV for it. If Enterprise had aired 10 years later, with the popularity of streaming, it's probably more likely it would have been featured.
But yeah, now, with all the wars and galactic crises Discovery and Picard have done, I'm over it for a while. And it's probably irrelevant because it doesn't seem any of the current showrunners are interested in the 22nd century.
As I always say when this comes up; the cast is to old to just slip back into the positions their characters had.
Picard, Seven, Riker and Troi all have changed drastically and taken new paths in life since we last saw them...and now you want Enterprise back with all of them in their old positions? That just doesn't work, imo, their characters would have moved on in the last 17 years.
The only way for Enterprise to return would be to have the characters changed just as much as Picard, Seven, Riker and Troi were in PIC, have them appear occasionally as admirals and such, and have a new crew for the Enterprise itself, if it is to be a show about the ship, maybe Trip or somebody could return as Captain, though. But not all of them.
Picard, Seven, Riker and Troi all have changed drastically and taken new paths in life since we last saw them...and now you want Enterprise back with all of them in their old positions? That just doesn't work, imo, their characters would have moved on in the last 17 years.
The only way for Enterprise to return would be to have the characters changed just as much as Picard, Seven, Riker and Troi were in PIC, have them appear occasionally as admirals and such, and have a new crew for the Enterprise itself, if it is to be a show about the ship, maybe Trip or somebody could return as Captain, though. But not all of them.
I think there was a time just as Netflix was catching on and people (like me) were starting to give Enterprise a second chance in streaming, that it could have come back for a 5th season, but that was about half as long ago as the series ended. It's over. ENT has had plenty of callbacks canon-wise by the new movies and series. Maybe we might even see a character return one day , but I doubt it. Of all the Trek series, I think ENT is the least likely to get a reboot, or any kind of continuation.
Yeah, I think the ship has sailed on any sort of Enterprise reunion. There was maybe a 5 year window after the show ended that maybe you could do it. But now too much time has passed. The most we could hope is that a character might appear in some future show or short. The current showrunners have done numerous different things so it's possible there might be a future short or part of an episode that might feature an Enterprise character (probably as a flashback of some sort), though older than we last saw them. I think most of the actors would be up to making an appearance if asked.
But a full on Enterprise reunion or relaunch on screen...no. That's over I think.
But a full on Enterprise reunion or relaunch on screen...no. That's over I think.
How ingrained in canon is the Romulan war era? If one or two ENT actors wanted to return, perhaps it could be moved to the 2170's to account for everyone's ageing.
The old 1993 Star Trek Chronology has it as 2156-2160 but that The Beginning movie was gonna move the start to 2159. And we know ENT (as well as the current Trek overlords) was never shy about retconning things.
The old 1993 Star Trek Chronology has it as 2156-2160 but that The Beginning movie was gonna move the start to 2159. And we know ENT (as well as the current Trek overlords) was never shy about retconning things.
The Romulan War apparently took place right before the creation of the United Federation of Planets, which we (almost) got to see in These Are the Voyages..., so we've already seen how old everyone looked. Well, we saw their holodeck characters anyway.
We should not assume this to be part of the continuity either.
That’s what Short Treks are for
. Have an animated episode where the conflict is narrated in a Romulan propaganda peace, even. Like this fan made Klingon one. The only real issue - if its live action - is they would need a new beagle to play as Porthos, since the original passed away. Everyone else could come back if they wanted to. Just say they entered a cloud that aged them a couple of decades. Or even don’t say anything; theses are fictional roles after all and who says they can’t look that way?
But even then, a new crew could head up the NX-01 during the war, and the whereabouts of the original could be easily explained away.
T’Pol: The teaching of Surak forbade violence. I will not be participating in the meantime and will be returning to Vulcan.
Phlox: There is an ongoing plague on Denobula and only I have the knowledge that can cure it. Crewman Cutler is coming along as a part of the Interspecies Medical Exchange.
Trip: Starfleet needs me back on Earth to oversee the development and installation of the warp 6 and 7 engines. Can’t do it.
Reed: I’ve been made the new head of Section 31. My hands are tied for now. Sorry.
Mayweather: I have to help my family on the Horizon. Wonder what the Stiles family is up to lately?
Sato: I have to split my time on both Enterprise and with UESPA on Earth. Swing by Earth when you get a chance.
Archer: Turns out I’m Future Guy all along. I’ll bring Porthos along with me to investigate.
Chef: I’m going to open a restaurant chain in Iowa.
And then the new crew’s Romulan War missions are classified by both Section 31 and the Federation Council multiple times over.
Spock said it happen “over a century ago” prior to TOS. That means 2156. Meaning the Beginning script would have to be edited to be set in 2156 as well.
Granted when TOS was made, it was set in 2196, making the Romulan War occur in 2086 (and the Earth-Kzin Wars happen immediately after the Eugenics Wars). Then the retcons happened with TNG and First Contact and VOY. And then again with the introduction of the Temporal Cold War in ENT.
We also saw how much older Riker and Troi looked compared to how they looked in “The Pegasus”.
Maybe nothing in that episode was as accurate as depicted, despite the intent behind it?
No. I just consider it part of the Star Trek continuity I follow. I'm a big Star Trek novel reader, including the Enterprise relaunch and I consider it part of the Star Trek continuity if/until something about it comes up on screen.
But that's just me. And there's a world of difference between continuity and canon. Novels and tie-ins are never canon.
I was the same way with the TNG/DS9/Voyager relaunch novels. I considered them part of the continuity I follow. In fact, I've come to consider them the prime universe and Picard as an alternate universe. Though I absolutely realize that is NOT canon and the showrunners have total control over where the franchise goes. It's just a personal preference/opinion. I like the storyline of the novels better so I kind of put that primary in my mind.
It's amusing in a way. Everyone is trying to figure out IF there was ever an Enterprise revival how to set it soon after the series. Whereas the simplest solution would be just to set it 17 years later (or something close to that).
Still don't see it happening but sometimes the best solution is the simplest
That same TOS episode had cloaking devices an amazing new concept, as well ship-to-ship visual communication not existing yet and the prevailing weaponry of the day being atomic bombs. Enterprise (as well as The Beginning script) and Discovery well and truly ignored that, introducing cloaking devices a century before. I don't think they'd have fretted any more about the 2259 date.
TOS drops hints that it's between 200 and 700 ("Squire of Gothos") years into the future of the 1960's. The first concrete date for TOS in canon is "Q2", establishing the 5YM ended in 2270.
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