Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x06 - "Kobayashi"

[Akiraprise]

I was pretty indifferent going in knowing the target demographic. I'm floored I enjoyed it as much as I did - strongest start to any of the New Treks by a mile.

I am in the same position. I wasn't even going to watch the damn show because it was just a "Star Wars" knock off. Boy was I wrong!

He just had a full immersion crash course in command. I won't be surprised if he continues to makes mistakes, but he might astound the others, Janeway included, next time there is a crisis.

I'd put money on hJaneway firing up that simulation on purpose to help give him some command training. Her taunting with the disc and cone game was all the nudging that was needed.

 

[DaveyNY]

What if Murf was somehow the anomaly that Chakotay encountered?

How did he/she get on Tars Lamora to begin with?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

How did he/she get on Tars Lamora to begin with?

We have no idea.

As for this episode: It really doesn't prove that there ever was an actual ship named Kobayashi Maru, does it? I always thought, and still do, that the ship was made up for the purpose of the simulation.

I mean, what the hell kind of fuel carrier has 300 passengers, anyway?

 

[jackoverfull]

True. The ship clearly exists within the simulation, or the computer wouldn't have a file on it, however it doesn't necessarily have to actually be where they say it is, it may well be a klingon ruse.

In fact, since it's a fictional scenario, the simulation might well adapt to what the student does, with the ship actually existing (and people dying) if the "captain" choses not to rescue it and being a ruse otherwise.

 

[UssGlenn]

In fact, since it's a fictional scenario, the simulation might well adapt to what the student does, with the ship actually existing (and people dying) if the "captain" choses not to rescue it and being a ruse otherwise.

That's long been my assertion as well.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Copy-cat.

I mentioned an extremely similar sequence of events on Page 4 of this thread.

‪‪Great minds, ‪‪I suppose, ‪‪I talked about it on pages 1 & 2

Really, with the dates and ‪‪events depicted in this episode, it’s the most natural conclusion for sure!

and where did Chakotay and his crew end up (hint: probably in the Gamma Quadrant, either as prisoners of the Dominion or some other power, or managed to get away from whoever boarded the Protostar and then hid in the Gamma Quadrant in an attempt to NOT interfere with the timeline but cut off from means of getting back to the Alpha Quadrant - aka, no ability to reach the Bajoran Wormhole).

Dominion seems like a possibility... or it could be the Diviner species that boarded the Protostar (because Dominion space wouldn't be that close to the Gamma/Delta quadrant border - unless the Protostar met with a Dominion task force that was in deep space) and holo-Janeway's file was encrypted in Diviner species language.

‪‪I like this idea a lot. ‪‪I hadn’t considered they could’ve ended up captives of the Dominion, or that they could be the boarding party from Chakotay’s distress call. ‪‪I’d assumed they were probably the Vau N’Akat (which ‪‪I still think is a possibility), but using the Dominion would make a lot of sense.

 

[DEWLine]

Yes, given what we now know from this episode, and from the episode author/show producer Aaron J. Waltke, there must be major time travel shenanigans afoot.

The stardate in the “17 years ago” flashback was 43929.9, which is a Stardate in December of 2366. We’d been told that the show takes place in 2383, and now it’s been verified on screen, via the math from the date and number of years ago provided.

Given the references to Diwali in "Data's Day"(SD 44390.1), and the VOY episode "Homestead" falling on First Contact Day, 2378 (SD 54868.6), I would argue that this flashback is from June 2366, not December.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Given the references to Diwali in "Data's Day"(SD 44390.1), and the VOY episode "Homestead" falling on First Contact Day, 2378 (SD 54868.6), I would argue that this flashback is from June 2366, not December.

‪‪I’m sure you’re right! It’s right between “Sarek” in 43917.4 and “Ménage a Troi” in 43930.7, and I got December 6th, 2366, but ‪‪I went by several different Stardate calculator programs, so I’m not positive on the December part.

 

[Deks]

While the Protostar has probably already been launched, based on it's registry number, I suspect that the events we saw recorded haven't actually happened yet as of 2383.

Why not?
Protostar registry number indicates the ship itself was built about 2 years after VOY was launched (and was then chosen later on - after VOY return - to be outfitted with the Janeway hologram and the proto-core... could have been used for testing of other technologies in the meantime)... which actually fits nicely with the idea that SF might be building around 1000 ships per year.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Protostar registry number indicates the ship itself was built about 2 years after VOY was launched

I agree that the Protostar was most likely built after Voyager, but I don't put much stock in the ships' registry numbers being proof of that.

Meaning: Ship numbers don't have to be chronological. There's no evidence they are, anyway.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Constellation has a lower registry number(NCC-1017) than the Shenzhou(NCC-1223) when the former is clearly a much newer and more advanced starship design.

 

[Deks]

‪‪
‪‪I like this idea a lot. ‪‪I hadn’t considered they could’ve ended up captives of the Dominion, or that they could be the boarding party from Chakotay’s distress call. ‪‪I’d assumed they were probably the Vau N’Akat (which ‪‪I still think is a possibility), but using the Dominion would make a lot of sense.

Well, the main reson Dominion came to mind was the premise the Protostar is now seemingly in the Gamma Quadrant (and unless Janeway regains her memory and convinces the kids to take the Protostar to Chakotay's last known coordinates - the next sequence of events will probably be happening in the Gamma Quadrant... at least for a bit)... but as I said, Dominion space (at least from the 'official maps') is nowhere near the Delta/Gamma border - so that puts a 'kink' into that hypothesis.

Also, if we take into account the premise that Janeway's memories were encrypted in Vau N'Akat language, this would imply they were the boarding party, or someone on the crew belonged to the Vau N'Akat and encrypted Janeway's memory intentionally to protect the timeline.

 

[Danja]

There's supposed to be a Dr. Noum, an Andorian first officer, and a Trill ensign coming aboard in future eps.

Perhaps they got separated from Chakotay and future Janeway?

 

[Deks]

The Constellation has a lower registry number(NCC-1017) than the Shenzhou(NCC-1223) when the former is clearly a much newer and more advanced starship design.

For all we know SF already had Constellation class ships in service prior to the Shenzhou... it was just refitted along with most of the fleet to the design we saw and given a new lease in service.

After all, the Constitution class Enterprise has a registry NCC-1701... that would imply its actually NEWER than the Shenzou.

Looks aren't necessarily an indication of how advanced a starship is.

 

[Tuskin38]

So that explosion was not the BoP explosion from ST6 and Generations
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1479887579449380867

it doesn't match

There's supposed to be a Dr. Noum, an Andorian first officer, and a Trill ensign coming aboard in future eps.

Perhaps they got separated from Chakotay and future Janeway?

It's been confirmed in an interview that they were not part of Chakotay's crew.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Well, the main reson Dominion came to mind was the premise the Protostar is now seemingly in the Gamma Quadrant (and unless Janeway regains her memory and convinces the kids to take the Protostar to Chakotay's last known coordinates - the next sequence of events will probably be happening in the Gamma Quadrant... at least for a bit)... but as I said, Dominion space (at least from the 'official maps') is nowhere near the Delta/Gamma border - so that puts a 'kink' into that hypothesis.

It did look like they were in the Gamma, but the ship’s icon wasn’t exactly to scale, and it could be that they’re on the Delta/Gamma border? I’m going to wait fo see it confirmed onscreen if they’re all the way into the Gamma, or just headed there.

Also, if we take into account the premise that Janeway's memories were encrypted in Vau N'Akat language, this would imply they were the boarding party, or someone on the crew belonged to the Vau N'Akat and encrypted Janeway's memory intentionally to protect the timeline.

That was very much my thinking. ‪‪I figured it was possible that Chakotay hid the Protostar in Tars Lamora to help preserve the timeline.

There's supposed to be a Dr. Noum, an Andorian first officer, and a Trill ensign coming aboard in future eps.

Perhaps they got separated from Chakotay and future Janeway?

The author of this episode, Aaron J. Waltke let us know that Dr. Noum, Commander Tysess and Ensign Asencia aren’t Chakotay’s crew from the Protostar.

It makes me very curious about who they *are*, maybe a crew sent to find the missing Protostar?

 

[Danja]

Why do I keep hearing Princess Leia through all of this? ("Help me, Dal. You're my only hope.")

 

[UssGlenn]

Why not?
Protostar registry number indicates the ship itself was built about 2 years after VOY was launched (and was then chosen later on - after VOY return - to be outfitted with the Janeway hologram and the proto-core... could have been used for testing of other technologies in the meantime)... which actually fits nicely with the idea that SF might be building around 1000 ships per year.

Just a gut feeling. Sure, it could have already happened, but given that time travel is involved, it would be more dramatically interesting if we see the events as they happen, and not a flashback.

 

[Tuskin38]

or someone on the crew belonged to the Vau N'Akat and encrypted Janeway's memory intentionally to protect the timeline.

Casting Spoilers/Leaks BIG WARNING

Spoiler

This lines up with a casting leak we got in December 2020, that said there was a Vau N'Akat pretending to be a Starfleet officer.

This leaked before the name of Gwyn's species was publicly known FYI. Which makes it seem more legit.

https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2020/12/01/star-trek-prodigy-characters/

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

For all we know SF already had Constellation class ships in service prior to the Shenzhou...

Unlikely.

The prototype USS Constellation was in service around the time of ST VI (it's listed on a readout screen on board the Enterprise-A). At that time, it was still exactly that - a prototype - since said readout listed the ship's registry as NX-1974.

So it would seem that the Constellation class was brand new in the 2290's, which was decades after the Shenzhou.

And of course we're NOT talking about the Constellation from TOS. That one - despite its registry number - was a Constitution-class ship.