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Complimenting ENTERPRISE...

My parents did not watch ENT during its first run. "Not real ST, they said. Two years ago they wanted to do a full rewatch of all the series including ENT which I lent them the DVDs to do.

When finished with ENT they were asking if that was all there were. They liked it very much and wanted more. :)

Off topic but the same happened for DS9. They preferred Babylon 5, but catching up later they came to like it too.
 
Coming back to a couple points here...

Sci said:
No, not really. That's it. That's the essence. You have to attract and retain enough viewers that the company can either make money by 1) selling ads, or 2) by receiving subscription income. Without that, commercial television programs cannot stay in production.

Tell that to Jamie Kellner, who first cancelled Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS, Pinky and the Brain & Animaniacs on WB in the late 90s and then cancelled WCW Nitro on TNT and WCW Thunder on TBS in 2001, despite all of them doing pretty well in the ratings for their time.

"Doing pretty well in ratings" is not the issue per se. As I said, the issue is attracting and retaining enough viewers that the company can make money by selling ads. In other words -- it's not just about ratings, it's about whether or not advertisers are willing to buy time on your show.

What matters if a show is expensive to produce, if a show is financially successful (in the black) or not (in the red),

A broadcast network show gets in the read or the black by having ratings high enough that advertisers want to spend enough money buying time on the show's commercial breaks that it pays for the show.

Perhaps UPN should have premiered “Babel One” and the preceding episodes “Daedalus” and “Observer Effect” during sweeps in February and try to get higher ratings, instead of in January while not even advertise the return of Enterprise from its month long break.

Perhaps. But that doesn't mean the show would have done well even then. As I said before, the highest ratings any ENT episode got that season was 3.8 million, for the last two. In 2005, when most of ENT's direct competition had ratings two or three times that high, and when the biggest shows had ratings more than six times higher than that, 3.8 million was just not enough for advertisers to pay enough to reach a sufficient profit for UPN and Paramount. As I've said before, I distinctly remember that ENT in Season Four was literally not even able to sell enough commercials to fill its entire time slot -- they had to start airing these awkward interstitials that said, "Stay tuned for Star Trek: Enterprise!" because they just literally could not sell enough ads.

CBS,NBC, ABC & FOX aren’t UPN; even FOX isn’t not considered one of the Big Three networks.

By 2005, that "Big Three" distinction had begun to melt away, though it wasn't quite gone. But either way, 3.8 million -- ENT's best ratings of the season -- were absolutely not high enough to attract enough advertisers. That was even with the advertisers grading UPN on a curve.

Sci said:
Likely the only reason UPN didn't cancel ENT after season three was that it was worth Paramount's while to get the series to about 100 episodes, because that was the point at which syndicated reruns could become valuable to broadcast stations and cable networks at the time. But the amount of money Paramount would likely lose from trying to produce a fifth season with insufficient advertising revenue would probably have negated syndication profits if the show had remained in production.

Then film the season, wait until the merger is finished and air them as tv movies on CW.

You're saying they should have spent $17.6 million dollars with no return, sit on it for a year (for, again, a merger that was not on the table at the time they made the decision to cancel), and then air an unpopular show that had been losing audiences for years, without momentum, and thus probably get an even smaller audience than they had already struggled with.

You are, in other words, saying that they should have set $17.6 million on fire, since they knew they were losing audiences and would almost certainly continue to lose audiences, and thus would almost certainly be unable to induce advertisers to pay for the cost of production.

That would not only have been a terrible business decision, but it would have been a terrible business decision that would likely have exposed Viacom to litigation from shareholders for willfully violating their legal obligation to make as much money as possible for shareholders.

But still matters as it suggest that there might have been a far larger audience watching through DVRs, and that there was no attempt to reach them to watch the first airing on a weekly basis.

That doesn't matter if advertisers don't think those additional audiences are worth spending the money to reach. In particular, they don't matter if the advertisers think those additional audiences are just gonna fast-forward through the commercials and thus never even see the ads.

I don’t think that there was a weekly rating wars with Stargate, although if that was the intent, then no wonder Enterprise did not reach 4M viewers. They split the science fiction audience, as I’m sure that there were viewers of Stargate SG-1 watch watched Enterprise and vice versa. Was Moonves expecting the science faction version of the weekly wrestling tv wars of the late ‘90s and very early ‘00s here?

I think Moonves probably consider ENT's primary competition to be the other broadcast network shows that aired during the 8:00 PM to 9:00 PM Friday night timeslot. And as I said above, ENT got its ass kicked by all of those shows except two sitcoms on the WB -- and at least three shows that had ratings almos three times higher than ENT also got cancelled that year.

It might not have fared any better on Sci-Fi, since even Battlestar Galactica was cancelled after 4 seasons.

To be clear, BSG ended after Season Four because that was the creative decision of showrunner Ronald D. Moore. BSG was still a rating success by the Sci-Fi Channel's standards, and they wanted the show to continue (which is why after it ended, they immediately produced the prequel Caprica, and then tried multiple times to launch new spin-offs).

And again, if there are ideas for a merger floating around, then very likely they were getting their accounting in order and removing anything that was in the red – cleaning up the books first. Meaning a show that is causing UPN to be in the red would be up for cancellation.

I mean, okay, but that's not much of an argument for why they should have kept ENT around.

Sci said:
Enough for the discrete costs of an episode? Yes, but would that have been enough to pay for the costs of keeping the actors on call, the crew on call, and keeping the sets standing on soundstages where other, more lucrative programs needed space? How much money would Paramount have lost by disrupting the ability of lucrative shows to build necessary sets because ENT's sets were just sitting there on the soundstages, unused?

We’ll never know, since it wasn’t tried.

I'm sorry, but no. When a show in 2005 has been around for years and KEEPS losing audiences no matter what has been tried -- when it gets to the point where it's only pulling an average of 3 million viewers at a time when its direct competition is getting 8-10 million and the real standards for success are pulling 15-25 million, and when it literally can't sell enough ads to fill its time slot... at a certain point, we just have to accept that in the context of the 2005 market, Star Trek: Enterprise was just not popular enough to be financially viable and was not financially successful enough to try to save.

Even though advertising a special Star Trek event on CW would have been a big deal at the time.

UPN had been advertising "special Star Trek events for years." It was absolutely not a big deal at the time, and they were not successful at reversing the downward ratings trend.

What happened strikes me as either willful sabotage or plain incompetence.

I think you are not being realistic about what average ratings of 3 million for a very expensive, high-concept, special effects-heavy show meant in 2005 in terms of financial viability.

But with Moonves there was definitely a maliciousness to it.

I don't think so. To the extent that his dislike of science fiction mattered, I think it mostly just made him less pre-disposed to believe that ENT's ratings could reverse the downward spiral. But looking at the ratings, I don't think there was any way to reverse the downward spiral in 2005, and I love this stuff. I don't think Moonves made the decision to cancel out of spite; he made the decision to cancel because ratings weren't high enough.

There were probably ways to have continued Enterprise for at least another season, if not two, if not on UPN then another network willing to air it. They might have needed to adjust to a smaller budget

To be clear, the budget for Season Four of ENT had already been cut by, IIRC, either 40% or 60%. One of the reasons they adopted the three-episode arc structure in S4 was that it let them use the same sets for each episode in that arc and thereby amortize production costs. There was not a realistic way to cut the budget any further.

It's one of the many reasons I love the novels, including the Enterprise relaunch novels. There was a dark period for Star Trek of about 10 years. Outside the 3 Abrams movies there really was no new Star Trek out there outside tie ins. In a way the novels kept Star Trek moving. They always say in entertainment when something is not moving it dies. Well the various tie ins kept Star Trek moving at least, maybe at a crawl, but it never died out. For me the novels kept Enterprise, TNG, DS9 and Voyager moving forward (as well as the original series, though those are usually standalone novels) until Star Trek finally returned to TV.

Totally agree here. In fact, personally I think of the period from 2001-2021 as a Golden Age of Star Trek in novels.
 
I don't think so. To the extent that his dislike of science fiction mattered, I think it mostly just made him less pre-disposed to believe that ENT's ratings could reverse the downward spiral. But looking at the ratings, I don't think there was any way to reverse the downward spiral in 2005, and I love this stuff. I don't think Moonves made the decision to cancel out of spite; he made the decision to cancel because ratings weren't high enough.
Yup. It's business and business is about numbers. ENT did not have the numbers.
 
ENT did not have the numbers.
UPN did not have the numbers in general. That’s why the merger with WB happened in the first place…

I’m sorry, but I can’t help any of you that don’t understand that they cancelled Enterprise to clear the books to make the merger more palatable (and the merger was likely on the table then, even if the proposal wasn’t public knowledge at that moment). There was antipathy towards the show yes, and there definitely was an effort to dismantle it and sabotage it from within. It not either/or here; both can be true.

If any of the parties involved in the merger wanted to relaunch Enterprise under a new name on the CW with Manny Coto and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens at the helm to replace Berman & Braga. And try to make a full seven seasons with the new show this time around while fulfilling their obligations to the ENT cast for the 3 seasons they did not do in the process. And reuse the sets of old to keep costs low. They could have done all of that. It was in their power. They just did not want to, and seem to have had no plan to do so at all. At least one that everyone could agree on.
 
UPN did not have the numbers in general. That’s why the merger with WB happened in the first place…

I’m sorry, but I can’t help any of you that don’t understand that they cancelled Enterprise to clear the books to make the merger more palatable

Mergers do not become more palatable if the shows they cancel are successful. You make mergers more palatable by cancelling your unsuccessful shows that are losing money.

They could have done all of that. It was in their power. They just did not want to,

I mean, in a purely physical sense, of course they could have. These guys controlled large budgets and could physically have chosen to spend the money to continue ENT. This is true of every television program that gets cancelled for being unprofitable or insufficiently profitable.

But if they had, they would have been setting that money on fire. They would almost certainly have been violating their fiduciary obligation to shareholders to only fund shows that they can reasonably predict will earn the company a profit in some manner, and therefore would have been exposing themselves to a potential lawsuit. To say nothing of the risk that the higher-ups at Viacom might have sought to penalize or fire them.

ENT was doomed because its ratings were not high enough at the time for advertisers to pay enough money for it to earn a sufficient profit in the eyes of Viacom. The final proof is that they literally could not even sell enough ads to fill their timeslot that last season. That's all there is to it.
 
I'm struggling to figure out how this viewership works between streaming and televised aired runs. When it comes to DISCO, every time CBS aired the series on a time slot the ratings are beyond awful. Match that to ENT and the ratings were decent compared to DISCO; where's the metrics to determine whether one on TV is a flop to a subscription based product which is relying on not 1 series but many other original programming??? Something where many members in this forum had admitted they partly subscribe to ALL CBS + only when the Star Trek series are premiering.
It's really not reasonable to compare the ratings of shows from early 2005 to the ratings of shows today. The markets are fundamentally different; the TV market is so much more fragmented that advertisers are willing to pay higher rates for lower ratings than they were 17 years and three presidents ago. Broadcast TV shows are able to survive today on MUCH lower ratings than they were 17 years ago.

I agree with Sci here. It's a lot like comparing apples and oranges. How people watch TV today is so fundamentally different than it was back in 2005. A much greater difference than there even was between when the original series aired in the late 1960's compared to 2005.

I think Enterprise would have had a better shot of surviving if it was airing today in fact. Niche shows have much greater chance of succeeding with streaming I think than traditional TV. I don't know if Enterprise would have faired better on a cable network in 2005 or not. But I don't think there was any secret that Moonves had no love for Star Trek. Sure, business played a large role in the decision to cancel Enterprise. But some of the ways Moonves went about it indicated to me at least that he took a certain malicious glee in ending Star Trek. I never saw any regret that Star Trek was ending on TV for the long term. I honestly don't think it was 'just' business to him. He was glad Star Trek had failed enough that he could throw it in the trash bin.

Totally agree here. In fact, personally I think of the period from 2001-2021 as a Golden Age of Star Trek in novels.

Yeah, and to be honest I actually prefer the 'relaunch universe' that the novels portrayed in the post-Nemesis period to that of Picard. I actually have come to consider the Picard timeline an alternate universe and the novel timeline as the prime universe, even though I know that's not canon and certainly has no hold whatsoever on the show runners. I'm glad S&S and Paramount allowed the Coda trilogy to be published to tie things up more or less. It's more than what Star Wars got with their novels.

And like I said, the novels kept Star Trek moving when there were no shows (along with other tie ins like comics and games and so forth). There were at least new stories coming out during Star Trek's 'dark age' of no new on screen content, save for 3 films.
 
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I never saw any regret that Star Trek was ending on TV for the long term. I honestly don't think it was 'just' business to him. He was glad Star Trek had failed enough that he could throw it in the trash bin.
Why would there be regret? It's business, and even if he was glad that Star Trek failed that doesn't make it a poor decision. The numbers were not there. Monves had an obligation and it wasn't to Star Trek.
 
I'm not sure if anyone has done a thread like this, but I wanted to start one that lists all the GOOD that this series did. Some things from the very beginning.

1. Sense of wonder. Later TNG and VOYAGER episodes tend to stray away from the sense of wonder and awe at just seeing something brand new. From the pilot, that was something ingrained into the show... at least, the first two seasons. I'm very glad we got that feeling of awe, excitement, and wonder of the universe back that is such a big part of what the franchise is all about.

2. Sense of realism. There's a lot of little things that make the show feel real. For example, my wife and I just watched "MINEFIELD", and you can see the sweat on Travis' forehead because he was so nervous and being cautious while piloting out of the minefield. That sense of realism and 'you are there' feel is quite prevalent in this show. I think more so than the others.

3. More hands on approach. This might be more due to personal preference than anything else, especially since I find that with touch screens I have to fix FAR more typing errors than with an actual keyboard. But I SO much prefer the buttons and knobs vs. the touch screen displays of the 24th century shows. In fact, pretty much everything was hands on... it made the ship, devices, and show feel more real and tangible.

4. Archer is the classic hero. I like the fact that Archer is much more in the thick of things than some of the other captains. Very much like Kirk in that regard. The bad side is that he ended up getting knocked on his ass more often than all the others combined, but that is a danger when getting your hands that dirty. I respect that.


I've noticed there isn't a lot of good said about ENTERPRISE... at least, not as much as say TNG or DS9. I wanted to rectify that.

Anyone else have some good comments they want to share?

I really appreciate this post, since ENT is the least favorite series (still a "favorite," it still is Star Trek after all, at least Season 3 on! :p) of the entire franchise, for me. And a general perception does prevail about ENT too, not dissimilar to mine.

So your question is both thoughtful and thought provoking. Here goes:

1. The Human-Vulcan dynamic, its high and lows, was wonderfully done, next only to the Bajoran-Cardassian one in DS9. A running theme through ENT. Excellent idea, brilliant portrayal.

2. The challenge of portraying a pre-TOS Starship Enterprise, yet with all the gadgetry and gimmickry of the 21st C, was well met. ENT was made after TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY. Each of these series tried to exploit the technology available in their time to create a marvelous viewer experience. And they did.

ENT had the unique challenge of coming after these 5 but being chronologically set before any of them. From the lighting to the camera angles, and yes, even Archer's character and quirks (at least on paper), well done.

3. Phlox. And his...creatures.

4. The Xindi: A "race" closest to our understanding of what race actually means. You see, all humans are...well...human, as are all Vulcans Vulcan, all Klingons Klingon, all Cardassians Cardassian, and so on. But all "Xindis" are not Xindi! Some are Aquatics, some Insectoid, some Reptillian, etc. The complex and contradictory nature of the very idea of race is I think best explored here, in all of the ST franchise. To go further, Vulcans and Romuluns may share a common heritage, but nobody would argue that they are the same race. Yet, Aquatics, Reptillians, Humanoids,...,though nothing like each other, are nonetheless all Xindi.

5. An out-world but important argument: the first episode of ENT was aired 15 days after 9/11. The worst possible time to show how humankind could "profit" through exploration and interaction with, quite possibly hostile, "aliens." Yet ENT made it through 4 seasons and was only getting better.

Phew! There. You have it! :)
 
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