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Superman

It's George Reeves's birthday.

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Born on this date in 1914.

Reeves was the personification of Superman to a generation or more. To my mind, he remains one of the Holy Trinity of Superman performances (along with Christopher Reeve and Tyler Hoechlin), a master of seemingly effortless charisma and charm. Happy 108th, good sir!
 
It's George Reeves's birthday.

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Born on this date in 1914.

Reeves was the personification of Superman to a generation or more. To my mind, he remains one of the Holy Trinity of Superman performances (along with Christopher Reeve and Tyler Hoechlin), a master of seemingly effortless charisma and charm. Happy 108th, good sir!

Excluding Cavill and adding Hoechlin is offensive to me.
 
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He's even smiling while he helps someone.

1) Realistically he would almost certainly have killed people during his battle with Zod. One of the weaknesses of Man of Steel is that it doesn't show Superman actively trying to lure Zod and company away from population centers in response to how destructive the battle became.

2) Show me a scene of Snyder's Superman actively trying to emotionally bond with and provide emotional comfort to a strange, not just a short snippet of him carrying someone and then very quickly putting her down -- a snippet presented as part of a montage the narrative wanted us to feel ambivalent about, I might add.
 
I watched some Justice League extras, and in one of them Snyder talks about loving comics when he was young. Then he adds "comics like Watchment and Dark Knight Returns". Ok, so that explains everything. He probably read the deconstructions before he even read the original... constructions. No wonder he struggles with getting the essence of Superman. He sees the Superman from DKR...
 
Oh don't you worry about that, that huge battle in Man Of Steel had off screen deaths galore I imagine, just we are not told about them but clearly you can see all the damage that has happened. It's like that huge battle in Chicago in Jupiter Ascending, there would have definitely been deaths but because there were unseen aliens reconstructing all the damage minutes after the battle who knows what happened because Earth's population in that movie was kept in the dark.

But as far as I am concerned there was a lot of unseen deaths in Man Of Steel. I still love this movie and this version of Superman
 
1) Realistically he would almost certainly have killed people during his battle with Zod. One of the weaknesses of Man of Steel is that it doesn't show Superman actively trying to lure Zod and company away from population centers in response to how destructive the battle became.
Oh yeah? Prove it. Show me a scene where Superman on screen kills a civilian during his duel with Zod. Except for the train station at the end. All the buildings we saw them crash through were empty, and the fight on the streets and in the sky was squarely between Supes and Zod. Pedestrians didn't become a factor until Zod targeted that family with his heat vision.

Blaming the heroes for not luring the villains away from populated centers is a bit of lame criticism. You could play it with other characters and see how silly it is.

Why doesn't Batman lure the Joker out of Gotham?

Why didn't the Avengers try to lure the Chitauri out of NYC, or the Ultron bots out of Sokovia or Thanos's hordes out of Wakanda?

Why didn't Thor lure Hela away from Asgard?

Why didn't the X-Men lure Magneto and the Brotherhood away from Alcatraz Island in X3?

Why didn't the crew of the Enterprise lure Khan away from Earth? They just stood by while he crashed a starship into San Francisco. And people give Superman a hard time. STID came out the same year and in the same summer as MOS and everyone forgets about Star Trek's in-your-face 9/11 scene.

Heroes can't always control the location and rules of engagement with their villains. Most of the time, it's the heroes pursuing the outlaws/renegades/cut throats and arriving right before or after they've initiated their "master plan". The only example that comes to mind to me at the moment, of a hero luring a villain away was in Skyfall. When Bond lures Silva to his family estate at Skyfall Lodge. Silva was pursuing M, and would follow the trail Bond deliberately left to the location. But that works because the hero had something the villain wanted. Zod threatened to kill all life on Earth three times, before he and Superman came to blows. I doubt there was a way of tricking Zod into someplace that wasn't uninhabited.


2) Show me a scene of Snyder's Superman actively trying to emotionally bond with and provide emotional comfort to a strange, not just a short snippet of him carrying someone and then very quickly putting her down -- a snippet presented as part of a montage the narrative wanted us to feel ambivalent about, I might add.

I can't. Because I don't think the scene exist. Thinking of other Supermen (Reeve, Routh, Hoechlin). I don't think they have a scene like that either. It's just not something that happens frequently enough. Nolan's Batman never bonded with a stranger. Batfleck had a bonding moment after he saved Martha from KGBeast. Mentioning he's a friend of her son. Tony Stark had an emotional bond with that kid from Iron Man 3. Garfield's Spider-Man bonded with that kid on the bridge in TASM 1. The X-Men never bonded with civilians. Neither did the laundry list of Avengers. Sans Tony of course.

I don't think the omission of an emotional bonding scene like that makes or breaks a film. But I must confess it would be nice.
 
Oh yeah? Prove it.

When inhabited skyscrapers are subjected to sudden destruction, people die. There's no way he didn't accidentally kill someone unless the movie is breaking from realism.

Show me a scene where Superman on screen kills a civilian during his duel with Zod. Except for the train station at the end.

Well you've already cited one.

All the buildings we saw them crash through were empty,

That is extremely implausible.

Listen. If you want to fantasize that all of downtown Metropolis can be demolished in the course of two hours in the late afternoon without it killing someone, fine. But that's not at all a plausible scenario.

Blaming the heroes for not luring the villains away from populated centers is a bit of lame criticism.

"Blame?" He's a fictional character. I'm saying it would have been better if Snyder had included that scene because the sheer amount of collateral damage in his film was so much higher than in other versions.

You could play it with other characters and see how silly it is.

Why doesn't Batman lure the Joker out of Gotham?

Why didn't the Avengers try to lure the Chitauri out of NYC, or the Ultron bots out of Sokovia

The difference was that Zod was specifically targeting Superman as an individual at first, and then later in the battle decided to deliberately inflict collateral damage on civilians. That's not a comparable combat scenario to these -- the Joker's modus operandi is to operate in secret without Batman knowing where he is, and Chitauri and the Ultron Bots were both armies trying to secure control of the cities they were attacking, not super-powered individuals fixated on one other super-powered individual.

Thanos's hordes out of Wakanda?

They did lure Thanos and his hordes out of the city.

Why didn't Thor lure Hela away from Asgard?

Thor did lure Hela away from the people -- he lured her into the empty city while the surviving population was being evacuated.

Why didn't the X-Men lure Magneto and the Brotherhood away from Alcatraz Island in X3?

I mean, I don't really give a shit about that terrible movie, but I seem to remember that the Brotherhood were trying to obtain territorial control of the island and would not have been vulnerable to being "lured." And also, it's a large group rather than one individual.

Why didn't the crew of the Enterprise lure Khan away from Earth?

They would have if they had the ability.

Heroes can't always control the location and rules of engagement with their villains.

This is true. But the nature of Superman's engagement with Zod is that he had far more influence on where the battle took place once the World Engine was destroyed.

Sci said:
2) Show me a scene of Snyder's Superman actively trying to emotionally bond with and provide emotional comfort to a strange, not just a short snippet of him carrying someone and then very quickly putting her down -- a snippet presented as part of a montage the narrative wanted us to feel ambivalent about, I might add.

I can't. Because I don't think the scene exist. Thinking of other Supermen (Reeve, Routh, Hoechlin). I don't think they have a scene like that either.

Sure they do. "I hope this hasn't put you off flying. Statistically, it's still the safest way to travel." Rescuing the kitten, etc.

It's just not something that happens frequently enough. Nolan's Batman never bonded with a stranger.

Of course not. That's not who Batman is or should be. But it is who the best versions of Superman are and who Superman in film always ought to be.

Superman may be badass, but he should be wholesome before he's badass.
 
Wayne construction.

Bruce knows if he blows up a building, sometimes that carnage can pay for another year's worth of Batarangs.

Do you think Bruce has the gall to own a company called "Batman Insurance"? And absolutely nothing ever happens to the homes and businesses of those who purchase Batman insurance, and those that don't are open season slaughtered?

In the 66 show all the delapidated theme warehouses on villain themed streets... Is that cheese? Is Bruce stacking the deck? Forcing the Riddler and Penguin to situate their Crime exactly where Batman wants them to, away away from the schools and other innocent potential colateral damage?
 
So, I just showed my kids some clips of Reeve playing Superman and Clark Kent. They were not impressed by Superman rescuing Lois Lane from falling from the helicopter; but they were totally blown away by the scene where Clark and Lois are robbed in the alley. They were so impressed that Reeve acted like a completely different person that they said for the first time they could believe how people didn't recognize Clark was Superman.
 
In real life, someone with Superman's powers would feel the weight of expectation. Some would hate and fear them. They wouldn't be smiling all the time and beloved by all like Christopher Reeve. In real life, gods fighting on Earth wouldn't always be able to zoom over to a conventient quarry or woodland to fight like in Superman and Lois. People would die.

That's why I'll always love Cavill's Superman. It's a little less fairy wonderland, and I think that's what detractors have the most issue with.
 
Post Zod...

If Clark believes in Euthanasia...He would have been killing 10s of thousands of dying people in the rubble who could not be recovered alive, crippled and bent, bleeding and screaming.

Super hearing + x-ray vision + heat vision.

It's really the only humane thing to do if no one could save them.
 
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