News Strange New Worlds casting/new characters

[Yistaan]

Considering, as was mentioned above, there was a descendant of Khan serving on the Enterprise a mere 5 years before 'Space Seed' happened (and serving with both Spock and Uhura no less) and yet this was never brought up when they found the Botany Bay, makes me think that continuity with TOS isn't going to be SNW's strong point. But we'll see.

La'an: Mr. Spock, if anyone ever finds out that Manu and I are genetically enhanced, we'll be banned from serving in Starfleet!

Spock: Do not fear, Captain Pike and I have classified your records and all personnel are banned from speaking or speculating on your heritage on penalty of treason.

La'an: I... don't want to sound ungrateful but you can just do that?

Spock: I've had a lot of practice (winks at camera while a small photo of Michael Burnham sits ominously in the background.)

 

[CorporalClegg]

I'm quickly losing faith in this show.

They're going to make all the same mistakes, aren't they?

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm quickly losing faith in this show.

They're going to make all the same mistakes, aren't they?

That's another reason I'm telling people who don't like DSC to not get ahead of themselves. A lot of people like the idea of SNW, I like the idea too, but will they like the actual execution of it? And if they don't end up liking the execution of SNW, what makes them think they'd like the execution of a hypothetical "New TOS"?

Just wait and see. Even if I didn't like DSC, I'd still say the same thing.

 

[Dukhat]

I'm quickly losing faith in this show.

They're going to make all the same mistakes, aren't they?

If they just came out and said the show is a damn reboot, there wouldn’t be a problem.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I don't care about that.

My only concern is the quality of the storytelling. And this Khan's descendants thing has "stupid" written all over it. Hopefully, I'll be surprised.

 

[Yistaan]

If they just came out and said the show is a damn reboot, there wouldn’t be a problem.

The Kelvin movies had plenty of complaints despite them outright being declared (in universe and out) as a reboot.

 

[Dukhat]

I don't care about that.

My only concern is the quality of the storytelling. And this Khan's descendants thing has "stupid" written all over it. Hopefully, I'll be surprised.

Well, I have to agree with you there. I’m not quite sure what the purpose is of having one of Khan’s descendants as a member of the crew, but you better believe it’s going to be a major plot point of the show, because there’s no reason to have this character otherwise, unless she’s just another Alara Kitan who can bend steel bars, rip open doors and get lids off of sticky pickle jars.

The Kelvin movies had plenty of complaints despite them outright being declared (in universe and out) as a reboot.

I don’t believe any of the complaints were that they weren’t following established TOS continuity, which is what I was referring to.

 

[CorporalClegg]

The Kelvin movies had plenty of complaints

Few of any merit.

 

[Yistaan]

Well, I have to agree with you there. I’m not quite sure what the purpose is of having one of Khan’s descendants as a member of the crew, but you better believe it’s going to be a major plot point of the show, because there’s no reason to have this character otherwise, unless she’s just another Alara Kitan who can bend steel bars, rip open doors and get lids off of sticky pickle jars.



I don’t believe any of the complaints were that they weren’t following established TOS continuity, which is what I was referring to.

At this point, only visual continuity has been violated, and even this can still be fixed the way Dr. Who fixed their visual continuity issues with one line: "You changed the desktop theme!"

As for dialogue continuity, the Noonien Singhs serving on the Enterprise a few years before the ship finds Khan is odd, but not universe breaking. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as Yoda and Obi-Wan fighting in the Clone Wars side by side with R2-D2 in the Star Wars prequels, then completely acting like strangers to each other in the original movies.

 

[fireproof78]

I don’t believe any of the complaints were that they weren’t following established TOS continuity, which is what I was referring to.

Unfortunately, they were, and quite often referred to the incorrectness of the timeline of TOS.

 

[yotsuya]

I'm taking it as a reboot so I don't care if there are some oddities. I'm more interested if they can go back to the adventure of exploring new planets and first contact situations.

 

[Char Kais]

Goldsman has more direct creative control over SNW

which is not a good thing if picard was any indication...

It is not just Picard, or "DIS The Vulcan Hello". Look at the rest of his career!

Akiva Goldsman has three Golden Raspberry Award nominations for "worst screenplay/writing".
Akiva Goldsman wrote:

• Batman Forever 1995
• Batman & Robin 1997
• Lost in Space 1998
• I Robot 2004
• The Da Vinci Code 2006
• I Am Legend 2007
• Divergent Insurgent 2015
• Transformers The Last Knight 2017
• The Dark Tower 2017

Just before joining Star Trek TV shows, Alex Kurtzman and Akiva Goldsman both were responsible for multiple career-ending flops. Both tanked multiple franchises.
Alex Kurtzman tanked "The Amazing Spider-Man" and "Dark Universe"/"The Mummy" and Akiva Goldsman tanked Transformers and "The Dark Tower".
Akiva Goldsman stopped working on anything else but Star Trek and Alex Kurtzman, as a writer, only worked on "Clarice" since 2017, and we all know how that turned out.

This is the type of showrunner that now works on Star Trek, and NuTrek fans are defending this.

 

[Mudd]

which is not a good thing if picard was any indication...

Picard is a modest improvement over STD.

 

[Mudd]

NuTrek fans are defending this.

"Defending?"

We haven't been asked to vote. Paramount/CBS is happy with the jobs they're doing.

 

[Campe]

As I’ve said again and again: the new Star Trek is FAR from perfect. At points, the writing is less than stellar, the overreliance on action sequences is also problematic. But I enjoy it. I couldn’t give a shit about canon or the ships and technology. I enjoy the characters and the stories. I have fun with it. The desire of some to see this fail is… unnerving. The failure of modern Star Trek will not mean these fans will magically get what they want. It will likely mean Trek will go away for awhile. Perhaps forever.

 

[Yistaan]

As I’ve said again and again: the new Star Trek is FAR from perfect. At points, the writing is less than stellar, the overreliance on action sequences is also problematic. But I enjoy it. I couldn’t give a shit about canon or the ships and technology. I enjoy the characters and the stories. I have fun with it. The desire of some to see this fail is… unnerving. The failure of modern Star Trek will not mean these fans will magically get what they want. It will likely mean Trek will go away for awhile. Perhaps forever.

You think this is bad? The Trek haters aren't even united in what they want to replace New Trek with. There's an entire alternate Legends Star Wars universe that the critics of Disney Star Wars have ready to bring back.

I miss Star Wars Legends and want it to continue, but at the same time I'm not interested in completely destroying Disney Star Wars. I feel they should coexist like Kelvin and Prime.

 

[Tim Thomason]

It is not just Picard, or "DIS The Vulcan Hello". Look at the rest of his career!

Akiva Goldsman has three Golden Raspberry Award nominations for "worst screenplay/writing".
Akiva Goldsman wrote:

• Batman Forever 1995
• Batman & Robin 1997
• Lost in Space 1998
• I Robot 2004
• The Da Vinci Code 2006
• I Am Legend 2007
• Divergent Insurgent 2015
• Transformers The Last Knight 2017
• The Dark Tower 2017

Just before joining Star Trek TV shows, Alex Kurtzman and Akiva Goldsman both were responsible for multiple career-ending flops. Both tanked multiple franchises.
Alex Kurtzman tanked "The Amazing Spider-Man" and "Dark Universe"/"The Mummy" and Akiva Goldsman tanked Transformers and "The Dark Tower".
Akiva Goldsman stopped working on anything else but Star Trek and Alex Kurtzman, as a writer, only worked on "Clarice" since 2017, and we all know how that turned out.

This is the type of showrunner that now works on Star Trek, and NuTrek fans are defending this.

Don't forget he's an Academy Award winning writer for "A Beautiful Mind". Some of his other critically acclaimed movies include The Client (his first writing job), A Time to Kill, and Cinderella Man (BAFTA-nominated). Goldsman is phenomenal when he tells down-to-earth stories or those from real life figures. But even some of the goofy stuff above, and other less-than-highly acclaimed work like The Da Vinci Code movies or that Divergent sequel still rake in money at the box office, which is the number that CBS is looking for.

We've never had such a highly awarded figure behind the scenes since Robert Wise.

 

[fireproof78]

You think this is bad? The Trek haters aren't even united in what they want to replace New Trek with. There's an entire alternate Legends Star Wars universe that the critics of Disney Star Wars have ready to bring back.

I miss Star Wars Legends and want it to continue, but at the same time I'm not interested in completely destroying Disney Star Wars. I feel they should coexist like Kelvin and Prime.

Completely agree. Star Trek and Star Wars have both become extremely unenjoyable if one engaged with the fan base too much. While I have preferences of Star Wars and Star Trek the fact that we have more choices, from Kelvin to Prime, to Legends and Disney makes me more excited not less.

 

[Campe]

You think this is bad? The Trek haters aren't even united in what they want to replace New Trek with. There's an entire alternate Legends Star Wars universe that the critics of Disney Star Wars have ready to bring back.

I miss Star Wars Legends and want it to continue, but at the same time I'm not interested in completely destroying Disney Star Wars. I feel they should coexist like Kelvin and Prime.

I’d say I more find the actions of these individuals pathetic. And that goes for both Trek and Wars fans. Like you say, there’s a lot more storytelling out there: whether it’s canon/legends for SW or the various continuities across movies, TV, comics and books, there’s always another story to find. You don’t have to like them all. Just don’t piss in other people’s Wheaties when someone does enjoy it. That’s the behavior I find disturbing.

 

[dupersuper]

Well, by the time SNW premieres, it’ll be like, what, only 5 years before TOS starts? And Kirk is already in command of the ship in WNMHGB. So you better believe there will be overlap.

Unless there's a time jump planned they still have 8 years. Plenty of time for a self contained show.

They're kinda painting themselves into a corner if SNW starts in 2260, since Kirk's 5YM is 2265-2270 (although of course that can be retconned away as easily as the angle of the classic Enterprise's nacelle pylons were), but even then they can have a season take place over a week or a couple of months instead of the Berman-era season = year formula.

Have they said 2360? It was 2357/58 last we saw them on Discovery.

Doesn't matter. Point's the same. They're going to do new TV stories with Kirk and Spock that will match the post-2000 Trek shows, and in those regards will not match TOS.

Potato.

Please tell me that some one is saving these oddly extremely certain speculative posts to quote in years to come...