Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x07 - "…But to Connect"

[Tim Thomason]

Zora indicated she knew they were powerful based on knowing the species. That's the reason she didn't reveal the coordinates immediately. She knows something about them.

Now the question is: Does she alone know the species (presumably from analyzing old Sphere Data)? Or is it someone the crew (and presumably, we) know? They didn't reveal it in the episode, but it's safe to assume it should be revealed first thing in Episode 8... or at the very least, some line of Zora saying she has to remain quiet about it for their safety or whatever (and the Captain "respecting" her choice).

 

[Mr Awe]

Now the question is: Does she alone know the species (presumably from analyzing old Sphere Data)? Or is it someone the crew (and presumably, we) know? They didn't reveal it in the episode, but it's safe to assume it should be revealed first thing in Episode 8... or at the very least, some line of Zora saying she has to remain quiet about it for their safety or whatever (and the Captain "respecting" her choice).

Regardless, it was a bad call not to reveal something about them in this episode. It's the midseason finale after all and they made a plot point out of it!

If I had to guess now and it's a species we've met, I'd say Species 8472. That fits with the many mentions of the Janeway. And using some weird DMA tech kind of fits a species from fluidic space intent on invading our space.

But it could very likely be a brand-new species.

 

[Tuskin38]

Zora indicated she knew they were powerful based on knowing the species. That's the reason she didn't reveal the coordinates immediately. She knows something about them.

She knows the exact same as everyone else.

They were powerful enough to create the DMA, meaning they’re potentially very dangerous. That was her logic. She doesn’t know who they are, just what they’re capable of.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

She knows the exact same as everyone else.

They were powerful enough to create the DMA, meaning they’re potentially very dangerous. That was her logic. She doesn’t know who they are, just what they’re capable of.

Exactly. Zora says:

Given what we know about the powers these beings possess, you’d be in great danger

In reference to the massive godlike power that they all know is required to operate the DMA controller/power the DMA, as first mentioned by Tarka first in S04E05 The Examples, and again this episode.

And as as you point out, as Zora put it, it’s mutual knowledge. I think that we is the operative word in regards to the potential exclusivity of the knowledge referred to in Zora’s statement, as she says “what we know,” plainly, and no one reacted as if she was saying she possessed any unique knowledge about Species 10-C aside from their location.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Yeah, I retract my previous question after going through the transcript again. I expect next episode they'll talk about what to expect at those coordinates based on what they've mapped and pouring through the Sphere Data. And it'll probably be wrong, as Doctor Kovich will tell us some day.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Zora indicated she knew they were powerful based on knowing the species. That's the reason she didn't reveal the coordinates immediately. She knows something about them.

Nothing she said suggests she knew

 

[Lord Garth]

I just a had a thought. If they bring the multi-verse into this, then the Discovery crew has a problem: They've already travelled through time. If they go into another dimension from there, then they'll run into the same problem Georgiou did: risk phasing out of existence.

So they'll have to come up with a technobabble work-around, if they go that route.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

I just a had a thought. If they bring the multi-verse into this, then the Discovery crew has a problem: They've already travelled through time. If they go into another dimension from there, then they'll run into the same problem Georgiou did: risk phasing out of existence.

So they'll have to come up with a technobabble work-around, if they go that route.

Georgiou was from the Mirror Universe, which was specifically no longer aligned with the Prime Universe, and no one had crossed over in either direction for several centuries. The Guardian didn’t say he was returning her to her own time, just to a time when the two universe were still aligned.

If the Discovery crew were to travel to another Universe successfully, then it would most likely still be aligned with with Prime Universe, and then they wouldn’t have the same issue existing that Georgiou had.

To have the issue that Georgiou had they’d need to first travel to a new Universe and then travel to a time where the Prime Universe was no longer accessible from the new Universe.

Edit: Since they did say Yor had this issue as well, one could reasonably assume that eventually the Kelvin Universe became unaligned with/inaccessible to the Prime Universe as well.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Since they did say Yor had this issue as well, one could reasonably assume that eventually the Kelvin Universe became unaligned with/inaccessible to the Prime Universe as well.

It seems that how far the two universes are not aligned affects how long you can stay in the new time in the other universe you visit.

Obviously 900+ years & a Parallel Universe only gave Georgiou a matter of weeks before she would die out,

Imagine if you traveled thousands of years into the future and traveled to a parallel universe, I wonder how long you would last.

 

[DaveyNY]

I wonder if the 10-C Beings also created the Sphere that Zora came from ...
(we don't really know where it originated)

What if Booker and Tarka manage to piss them off and they are the ones who end up sending Zora 1000 years into the future.

 

[Visitor1982]

I thought the non-action votes had won? Not the action plan by Book and the mad scientist? So I don't get how the for action votes seem to be in the majority on the images?

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

What if Booker and Tarka manage to piss them off and they are the ones who end up sending Zora 1000 years into the future.

Zora hadn’t been sent 1000 into the future in Calypso, she waits, getting there the long way, told to hold her position centuries before by her Captain.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I thought the non-action votes had won? Not the action plan by Book and the mad scientist? So I don't get how the for action votes seem to be in the majority on the images?

Yes, the "green" votes (to NOT attack the anomaly) were the side that won.

The red ones were the votes TO attack. If they had won, I'm guessing Tarka and Book would never have needed to sneak off, because that's what they plan to do anyway - attack.

 

[Noname Given]

Zora indicated she knew they were powerful based on knowing the species. That's the reason she didn't reveal the coordinates immediately. She knows something about them.

She knows what they went through in the Void ( from the previous episode). Based on that alone, Zora was concerned for the crew travelling to a base of operations controlled by C-10.

 

[arch101]

The Fed President still reminds me of Kai Wynn. Don’t like that.

 

[137th Gebirg]

She definitely portrayed the role of a political adept, but I wouldn’t put her on the same predatory level as Wyn. Not nearly as condescending either, even though she does often talk down to Burnham. Can’t say Burnham doesn’t deserve it at times, though. The President’s attitude is generally measured, as opposed to Wyn, where being a thinly-veiled demon was her default state.

 

[Mr Awe]

She knows what they went through in the Void ( from the previous episode). Based on that alone, Zora was concerned for the crew travelling to a base of operations controlled by C-10.

If that's the case, I misunderstood what was said. However, if the coordinates don't correlate to a known species, it suggests that 10C is truly unknown to the Federation and the Sphere data. Yeah, I know, species can move around and be in coordinates they weren't before, but this really points to a brand-new species.

 

[Cyrus]

This was a great episode, loved it. Last time we had a mid-season finale ("Into the Forrest" in the first season) that was a great episode too, the best episode of that season.

Good to see Ndoye of Earth again. Also good to see butterfly people again.

Zora is great. A nicer version of HAL.

Seems like we will see Nahn later this season.

Good thing all Federation members have hands, otherwise they couldn't vote correctly.

 

[jackoverfull]

She definitely portrayed the role of a political adept, but I wouldn’t put her on the same predatory level as Wyn. Not nearly as condescending either, even though she does often talk down to Burnham. Can’t say Burnham doesn’t deserve it at times, though. The President’s attitude is generally measured, as opposed to Wyn, where being a thinly-veiled demon was her default state.

true, and this is something I’m really enjoying about her: she’s a much more realistic politician than Winn ever was. She might be “good”, she might be “evil”, she certainly has an agenda but we don’t really know where she stands exactly. Very refreshing. Comparatively, every chance about Winn not being evil was squashed at the end of the very first episode she appeared in.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The Fed President still reminds me of Kai Wynn. Don’t like that.

Rillak is nothing like Kai Winn. Kai Winn was a narcissist, who made an art form of being passive-aggressive and was motivated purely by her desire to achieve power at any cost. Winn was willing to work with terrorists and overthrow a lawful government. And that was well before Winn decided to ally herself with a man who raped and butchered the Bajoran people, because she could never get over petty jealousy towards Sisko and his relationship with the prophets.

Rillak isn't motivated by a lust for power and she isn't a manipulator, nor is she a narcissist. Rillak is just a shrewd and pragmatic politician who is making decisions in the best interests of the Federation. While Rillak butts heads with Burnham, Rillak has made it clear that she respects Burnham and vice versa.

Apart from the fact they are both blonde haired, caucasian females with nose ridges, the characters are absolutely nothing alike