At least Marvel did it interestingly. DSC not so much, at least so far.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x07 - "…But to Connect"
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Holographic Janeway getting involved.
Did it? Because I can't remember half the multi-verse nonsense from Marvel. While I loathe time travel in all its forms, especially in Star Trek, at least I can follow it in Star Trek. Marvel leaves much to be desired.
Yes. It did.
Your mileage will vary.
Your mileage will vary.
Fair enough.
How so. When comment was made, Book was always an option. Plus there are other spore drives out there, even if Book and Stamets weren't with the ship, wouldn't mean that Starfleet would be left with no one to pilot a spore drive, it would just mean that its no longer Discovery that is using a spore drive.
Rationally speaking, I am absolutely sure that part of Starfleet and the Federation would very much appreciate a modern ship with a crew knowledgable in their own time period who are fully versed it technology, culture and political groups would be a much better fit for only having one ship with a functional spore drive.
I really enjoyed the way the diplomatic meeting went. I like that the more peaceful direction was reached, but it's clear that many parties disagreed -- amicably. They're moving toward a union of worlds, but it's not going to be without bumps. And one of those bumps was Earth, which I liked. I was always sad that Enterprise didn't get to do more building of the Federation; never did I expect that Discovery would give me what I wanted a thousand years later in the timeline.
The conflict between Burnham and Book seemed inevitable over the last couple episodes, and I liked how it came to a head here very naturally. I quite enjoy the way Burnham is growing this season, confronting the no-win scenario with Felix, counseling Zora through her own no-win scenario last episode, and willingly stepping into another no-win here. Really thematically strong.
I'm also really pleased with where they're taking Zora, and how.
If I have any complaint, it's that I wish there was more time for big decisions to unfold a little more slowly, but I think this is just part of Discovery's DNA.
All in all, very nice. I'm a little sad that the Parrot Analytics ratings suggest the show isn't doing as well this season as in prior seasons, as I feel like this is really the show's most
consistently thoughtful, well-plotted, and thematically resonant season. Like Zora, the show has found an identity.
But can we not misuse the term 'rhetoric'? Makes the writing teacher in me vaguely irritable.
The conflict between Burnham and Book seemed inevitable over the last couple episodes, and I liked how it came to a head here very naturally. I quite enjoy the way Burnham is growing this season, confronting the no-win scenario with Felix, counseling Zora through her own no-win scenario last episode, and willingly stepping into another no-win here. Really thematically strong.
I'm also really pleased with where they're taking Zora, and how.
If I have any complaint, it's that I wish there was more time for big decisions to unfold a little more slowly, but I think this is just part of Discovery's DNA.
All in all, very nice. I'm a little sad that the Parrot Analytics ratings suggest the show isn't doing as well this season as in prior seasons, as I feel like this is really the show's most
consistently thoughtful, well-plotted, and thematically resonant season. Like Zora, the show has found an identity.
But can we not misuse the term 'rhetoric'? Makes the writing teacher in me vaguely irritable.
9- 9.5. Quite possibly Discovery's most Star Trek episode they have done. Favorite of the season, one of the best of the series. 7 episodes in, half of the season and not one episode I would rate lower then a 7, for me that's exceptionally rare (though in fairness half a season of Berman Trek would be 13 episodes and of TOS would be roughly 14. I don't know if any season of Trek has gone half a season without getting a lower grade than 7. Heck only a few manage 7 episodes without.
Please more like this. One of my biggest complaints about Discovery (minus flamethrowers and turbo networks) is that I generally don't love or hate the episodes. With prior Trek's I always got some great episodes (as well as some utter garbage ones). But a great episode really makes a show pop, far more than just ok and good episodes.
Please more like this. One of my biggest complaints about Discovery (minus flamethrowers and turbo networks) is that I generally don't love or hate the episodes. With prior Trek's I always got some great episodes (as well as some utter garbage ones). But a great episode really makes a show pop, far more than just ok and good episodes.
One of my favorite things about Enterprise is how they used Earth not being a powerhouse, not having connections and not having old grudges with the other founders as the reason why its the seat of power and how it was used to bring them together. I just wished it was used in more then one or two episodes a season.
And I absolutely agree that I miss having a slower build with a season. That's just the nature of the best with a dramatically lower number of episodes then what generations earlier got. But the one silver lining is at least we get 13 so far, as so many streaming shows are adapting 10 to 6 episodes as the model for the how many episodes we should get in a season. And unfortunately I can't see them splitting a primary arc into multiple years.
I don't know what Parrot Analysis is or what it does, but reading about it makes me see it as a tracking services about audience interactions with a subject matter as opposed to how many people are paying to watch a service. Of course, I could be mistaken (that's just what their press reads to me). But the only metric of importance is that Discovery was Paramount + strongest performing series (it isn't considered a drama, but at the time it was outperforming all other shows). When they talk about the launch of 1883 (which did better than Mayor of Kingstown), is that it had the biggest series permiere on Paramount +. If it was its top scripted original series, that would have been mentioned.
Of course it is still possible that Discovery is doing lower numbers (this is the normal pattern for shows, even if you would rather see long term growth). It still currently remains Paramount + strongest series. Once Picard and Strange New World airs, and if 1883 has growth like Yellowstone, could change all of that, but at this time. It's still their biggest draw. While Picard for example was CBS online biggest draw, it has yet to air on originals on Paramount +.
Zora was clearly inspired by Xoanon's solution to earn the trust of corporeals....
That Ferengi looked awesome! Beautiful update!
That Ferengi looked awesome! Beautiful update!
One hand outstretched in friendship, and the other clasping the sword behind one's back.
Diplomacy!
I don't mind 50+ years of accumulated non canon licensed Star Trek material getting a shoutout as being canon in a parallel universe. Although I believe the lit books addressed that directly themselves, it'd still be nice to have it done on screen.
First 10 on quite awhile... Season has been ho hum for quite a few episodes, even a couple garbage ones but this.. Was excellent.
Last year, even this year's season, the discovery and her crew have been .. Superman.. Some one from outside reminding others of the best they could be. From a time when the federation were full of hope.
All plots this episode were great, council, zora, absolutely love Kovich.. Cronenberg brings that gravitas.
So.. Trailer.. See that Nhan comes back! SWEET! Looks like fun! And 100% irritated having to wait a darn month!!
Edit:
Isn't the spore drive capable of cross universe travel like they did at the end of season 1 with the mirror? ?? Why does douche scientist need the dma power source of the shrooms can get him home?
Last year, even this year's season, the discovery and her crew have been .. Superman.. Some one from outside reminding others of the best they could be. From a time when the federation were full of hope.
All plots this episode were great, council, zora, absolutely love Kovich.. Cronenberg brings that gravitas.
So.. Trailer.. See that Nhan comes back! SWEET! Looks like fun! And 100% irritated having to wait a darn month!!
Edit:
Isn't the spore drive capable of cross universe travel like they did at the end of season 1 with the mirror? ?? Why does douche scientist need the dma power source of the shrooms can get him home?
they could, but those in favor of using the weapon wanted to do so immediately as every second that goes by increases the chances of the next planet getting destroyed and billions dying.
Starfleet's ships have always had weapons, no matter how peaceful intentions are. Meeting strangers without precautions, especially after they have killed your people (intent or awareness unknown), would be stupid.
Discovery's midseason finale not bad - Cronenberg fluffs a line early on, referring to Admiral Vance (Oded Fehr) as "she" - though I was more interested in the Zhora story than in the inevitable putting Michael and Book at odds- I wanna know where the 10Cs come from. And nice to hear somebody finally suggest that the DMA might not have been launched with hostile intent. "It's wonderful to be seen" indeed, it cheers the old Bi heart...
Although I am glad the Zora scenario worked out, I don't know that some of the arguments from the crew on her behalf were very convincing. I especially found the idea that any crew member can turn rogue to be kind of a silly counter. Even a powerhouse like Saru can be subdued or killed if necessary and thus limit casualties. If Zora wanted to kill the crew, there would be very little the crew could do.
On the other hand, any crew member could leave open a circuit to the atomic matter pile (or whatever) and destroy the ship through negligence or with malicious intent.
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