Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x04 - "All Is Possible"
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I just had a thought:
We know the Vulcan homeworld is now named Ni'Var, but are the terms 'Vulcan' and 'Romulan' still used? "Unification III" seems to imply that they are. Are they still considered separate species (even though in this episode, Burnham points out that they're not)?
We know the Vulcan homeworld is now named Ni'Var, but are the terms 'Vulcan' and 'Romulan' still used? "Unification III" seems to imply that they are. Are they still considered separate species (even though in this episode, Burnham points out that they're not)?
Yes, because I don't think all Romulans would've been on board with suddenly following an unemotional way of life. While considered the same species, Vulcans would define those who followed Surak's logical way, while Romulans define those who don't.
Yeah, from Unification III we know there are distinct Vulcan, Romulan, and Romulo-Vulcan factions represented in Ni’Var’s leadership, so there’s still division even after the two societies re-merged.
Then Sybok was basically a Romulan! XD
Remember when Voyager was turned into its own Hallmark model by Q jr.? XD
ARCHER *thinks to self* “it’s times like this I wish I was a gazelle”
Knowledge is not what's important. Infrastructure is. If you cut off the flow of trade, your ability to construct things falls apart and machines break. So they could be using technology vastly inferior just because they no longer have access to the machinery to make top of the line tech.
It happens all the time in RL.
There are people in this world that know how to build crude nuclear weapons but don't have the resources or infrastructure to make one. And that's a VERY good thing in the real world.
Yes - my wife kept asking for the alien creature to pick up a rock and pound the shuttle.
Gave it an 8.
My favorite episode of the season. Good political stuff. Dough Jones shone. The president's of the Federation & Ni'Var are my favorite non-Disco characters since Admiral Cornwall.
Did not think Tilly was gonna leave. So a curveball is good. Plus a good ending scene with Michael.
The Culber/Book stuff was excellent.
More character driven & less plot driven is generally better. Ignore the space blob for a bit.
My favorite episode of the season. Good political stuff. Dough Jones shone. The president's of the Federation & Ni'Var are my favorite non-Disco characters since Admiral Cornwall.
Did not think Tilly was gonna leave. So a curveball is good. Plus a good ending scene with Michael.
The Culber/Book stuff was excellent.
More character driven & less plot driven is generally better. Ignore the space blob for a bit.
I find it interesting that you find it interesting heh heh. Never would have occurred to me that some people didn't know Culber is Latinx. To me it would be like finding it interesting that Burnham is a Black woman,or Rhys is Asian.
Eh, he could have just as easily been mixed something or other. Not every character played by a racially ambiguous person is hispanic.
Not sure why any of it matters vs. having a good plot and good acting, but okay. 
I think they've made a pointed effort of showing last names get around quite bit. A trek-like future is going to be more homogenous. Gabriel Lorca might be a Hispanic name, but apart from the fact "his" (since everything the Lorca we knew was made up of facts about himself he probably had to verify) family owned a fortune cookie making concern in San Francisco, we don't know any more about him.
That's not even counting the cultural diffusion from other world's on human society and vice versa. Case in point: Jennifer.
That's not even counting the cultural diffusion from other world's on human society and vice versa. Case in point: Jennifer.
I personally liked the depiction of this in The Matrix, after Neo was broken out. Apart from the people still living in the Matrix, humanity in the real world's distant future has only one color, no black white or brown to needlessly distract and divide any more, and one culture fighting and working towards one purpose - freedom from tyranny. Aside from the robot hellscape they live in, that's my idea of Utopia.
your idea of utopia is fighting for freedom from tyranny? (kidding)
I'm not sure I get this reference? From what I remember from the later Matrix films, there were plenty of black people, white people, ect. in Zion.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a post-racial future being depicted in science fiction. But if you do that, go the whole nine yards and have everybody actually played by multiracial actors. After all, if you live in a society with no racism and a diverse initial population, most people will have kids with someone other than "their race" and within 2-3 generations everyone will be roughly the same tone of brown.
space settlement could of course create new ethnicities, from people adapting or being adapted to life on different gravities, atmospheres, etc. Star Trek won't get into that, as it puts storyline barriers into it. I.E. any genetic modification is bad. 32nd century humans don't appear to have changed any. The Ni'var (Ni'varians? Ni'vari? Knights Who Say Ni'?) but the Star Trek lean is towards more homogony, including some truly bizarre hybridizations like President Not-Winn. As far as not having actors all look like a fully homogenized humanity, I think that's fair. It would be difficult and gets into all kinds of hiring practice issues.
That's a very slippery slope line of thinking, and having tendencies to date one race and reject another doesn't make one a racist. And I say this as an Asian man who has been hit by all the "unmasculine" stereotypes of Asian males in the real world, and studies have shown that Asian men have the most trouble in online dating. But I never once said or seriously thought "Women ignoring me on dating websites are racist". That's just not true, I'm never going to make that accusation despite my own struggles, and that's just a dangerous line of thinking that I just block from my mind, despite the temptation for my brain to go there in my darkest moments.
IIRC (and it's been a long time since I've seen the trilogy), the people that were more recently pulled out of the Matrix still possessed their inherited racial differences (Neo, Morpheus, Trinity, etc.) However, the people who are multi-generational inhabitants of Zion, who had either had their distant relatives red-pilled out, or were never placed into the Matrix at all (anti-machine rebels from the before-times), had such a limited population, any artificial racial divides that may have once existed were quickly overridden by pure survival to thrive and repopulate in order to continue the fight against the machines. After about 3 or 4 generations, those inhabitants were basically all of the same ethnic appearance. No white, no black, just a steady consistent tan (despite being cooped up in caves miles beneath the surface). I have a vague recollection that's how the Wachowski's wanted to depict humanity's evolution in such extreme environments.
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