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Spoilers Coda: Book 3: Oblivion's Gate by David Mack Review Thread

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I'm not convinced of that. I remember John Ordover pointing out that at the conclusion of "Future's End," they prevented Braxton from ever going back in time at all, meaning that none of that ever happened. Of course, "Relativity" then ignored that, but neither episode made a damn bit of sense in its temporal logic, so it's unclear what to believe.

I've always believed (and still do) that Starling's actions were always part of history, and there was never a timeline when they weren't. Classic predestination paradox.
 
I've always believed (and still do) that Starling's actions were always part of history, and there was never a timeline when they weren't. Classic predestination paradox.

Which would be fine if not for the bit at the end of the episode about preventing Braxton from going back in the first place, which would seem to imply that all the stuff with Starling was erased from history. But the episode was frustratingly unclear about it.
 
Which would be fine if not for the bit at the end of the episode about preventing Braxton from going back in the first place, which would seem to imply that all the stuff with Starling was erased from history. But the episode was frustratingly unclear about it.

Well, Janeway did say it was part of history. In fact the whole Borg arc from "Q Who" to "First Contact" to "Regeneration" was one big predestination paradox.
 
as a fan of alternative hair colorations, i'm glad that Christine Vale had a cool ombré for the finish
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So, what’s the general consensus on including a “Shut up, Wesley!” into the book?
If you'd asked me about it blind, I would have said it was silly. But in context, it worked. Listening to the audiobook, I even said the line out loud about five seconds before Picard did.
 
Well. Finally finished the audio book. There were some very good moments. I teared up several times. I was shocked how much Bashir's final scenes moved me.

Some confusing sections. What was with that losing scenario at the beginning? Was that irumodic Picard doing the multiversal equivalent of a Slaughterhouse Five?

Bringing it back to Benny Russell brought into focus some of the changes in approach I've made to dealing with fiction. Not taking it too seriously and not obsessing too much about minutiae. Understanding that characters do not really die. They exist forever as long as their stories are experienced.
 
If you'd asked me about it blind, I would have said it was silly. But in context, it worked. Listening to the audiobook, I even said the line out loud about five seconds before Picard did.
Ah! I was wondering if there's going to be an audiobook and how awkward it would get if they got Wil Wheaton to read it - given the trauma that infamous line has caused him.
 
I just finished. For now, why have us see a variety of timelines of Picard in chapter 40, some part of the PU, and some presumably unstable branches now never existed/exists/existing?
 
Well. Finally finished the audio book. There were some very good moments. I teared up several times. I was shocked how much Bashir's final scenes moved me.

Some confusing sections. What was with that losing scenario at the beginning? Was that irumodic Picard doing the multiversal equivalent of a Slaughterhouse Five?

Bringing it back to Benny Russell brought into focus some of the changes in approach I've made to dealing with fiction. Not taking it too seriously and not obsessing too much about minutiae. Understanding that characters do not really die. They exist forever as long as their stories are experienced.
The book notes that the first chapter takes place in the Second Splinter. It doesn’t make sense at the time, but once we learn our heroes are in the First one, it does in hindsight. I rather liked that, actually.
 
I'm not convinced of that. I remember John Ordover pointing out that at the conclusion of "Future's End," they prevented Braxton from ever going back in time at all, meaning that none of that ever happened. Of course, "Relativity" then ignored that, but neither episode made a damn bit of sense in its temporal logic, so it's unclear what to believe.

I also remember having a long, head-spinning conversation with John about how much of "Future's End" did or did not happen. I can't remember who was arguing what, but there's a reason that the events of "Future's End" are only tangentially mentioned in my EUGENICS WARS novels; I really didn't want to wrestle with all those paradoxes.
 
I’ve gotta point out that despite the fact that things didn’t turn Year of Hell reset button like I had originally expected, it does still make narrative sense to experience Trek in this order- Nemesis…Destiny…Coda-Last Best Hope-Picard.
 
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