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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x03 - "Choose to Live"

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Star Trek is a franchise where a starship that uses natural crystals to fly thousands of times faster than the speed of light visits planets where aliens routinely speak English and look pretty human. Science went out the door with Star Trek about 57 years ago.
We actually don't know if dilithium naturally forms on Earth of if Cochrane somehow artificially formed them (i.e. artificial diamonds made from carbon), we just know it naturally occurs on other planets like Rura Penthe. As for bypassing the speed of light, all Trek fans might be interested in this bit of news today: https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...erendipity-darpa-researchers-find-strange.htm . Universal translators explain the aliens and English (man that Google Translate still exists in the future huh!) and as for looking human, Preservers or Ancient humanoids from the Chase episode
 
Cochrane may not even have had dilithium to regulate his first warp engine and flight. I don't think the blueprints for the Phoenix show dilithium of any kind as being aboard the ship, only mattter and anti-matter. He may have used a crude way to regulate the space warp reactions that only worked in such a primitive vessel and only at Warp 1. Dilithium was probably needed for higher velocities.
 
We actually don't know if dilithium naturally forms on Earth of if Cochrane somehow artificially formed them (i.e. artificial diamonds made from carbon), we just know it naturally occurs on other planets like Rura Penthe. As for bypassing the speed of light, all Trek fans might be interested in this bit of news today: https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...erendipity-darpa-researchers-find-strange.htm . Universal translators explain the aliens and English (man that Google Translate still exists in the future huh!) and as for looking human, Preservers or Ancient humanoids from the Chase episode
Still more fiction than science.
 
Yeah, I saw that "warp bubble" news this morning, too. Looks interesting, but I expect there's more hurdles yet to overcome. Something to continue in one of the Science/Technology forum threads, that news!
 
Cochrane may not even have had dilithium to regulate his first warp engine and flight. I don't think the blueprints for the Phoenix show dilithium of any kind as being aboard the ship, only mattter and anti-matter. He may have used a crude way to regulate the space warp reactions that only worked in such a primitive vessel and only at Warp 1. Dilithium was probably needed for higher velocities.
You don't need Dilithium to regulate warp fields or create them in the first place.

Remember the first episode of Deep Space Nine? When O'Brien had the station create a warp field using only it's fusion generators?

There was also the Yoyodyne Fusion drives.
 
Science has always taken the back seat in Star Trek. It’s not a show about science. It is, OTOH, a show about feelings and (gasp) action.

There's never been a single SF series which has been "about the science." Even The Expanse (which is probably the hardest SF series in TV history) is about people and politics - not about the tech. It's just there as flavor and worldbuilding.
 
Remember the first episode of Deep Space Nine? When O'Brien had the station create a warp field using only it's fusion generators?
didn’t he just lower the mass of the station and then used the thrusters amiche better than he could have otherwise? I don’t remember a warp field being involved.
 
Science has always taken the back seat in Star Trek. It’s not a show about science. It is, OTOH, a show about feelings and (gasp) action.
Being a “Sci-Fi” person has never been a qualification to run Star Trek. Or even to write for it. Neither has being a science person. IIRC, Gene told prospective writers not to worry about that stuff, when creating TOS. I’m not even sure how big a science or SF guy Gene was really.

I wasn't saying that Star Trek is hard science fiction or that science was the focus of the series. I was just saying that whatever level of science existed in previous series has become less prominent in Discovery and other things like action and feelings have become more prominent (again, relative to previous series). Though the pivot towards more action certainly began before Discovery. I also never said you needed to have a science fiction background to run the show.
 
Is it just me, or did Guardian Xi use the phrase "A zhian'tara unlike any other" in referring to Gray? (because that's kinda what this is)

Nice to see the DSC writers remembered that word.

I suppose when Adira's zhian'tara comes around, Gray won't be in it though. ;)

Side note: Have they ever said what Adira's original last name was, before joining with Tal? I don't recall it ever being used, anyway.
 
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I was just saying that whatever level of science existed in previous series has become less prominent in Discovery and other things like action
I don't think that Discovery started that trend. I think the TNG films did, just like the TMP set off the trend towards more introspective. Star Trek is not new to the action game, largely owing to Roddenberry framing it like an action/adventure series with TOS. That obviously changed with TMP and TNG, but then thinks swung more towards the action side again. The science in Star Trek has been sporadic, to be generous.
 
I don't think that Discovery started that trend. I think the TNG films did, just like the TMP set off the trend towards more introspective. Star Trek is not new to the action game, largely owing to Roddenberry framing it like an action/adventure series with TOS. That obviously changed with TMP and TNG, but then thinks swung more towards the action side again. The science in Star Trek has been sporadic, to be generous.
ST: TMP was Paramount attempt to try and put Star Trek in a more cerebral frame like 2001 A Space Odyssey.

With the subsequent films set in the toss era, they pretty much did return to a more action adventure format with some social commentary.

However, when GR was given full control the T NG TV series, he tried to reimagine and retool the basic Star Trek formula because he didn't own any merchandising rights to the original series; and he pretty much wanted T NG to completely surplant TOS, so he could get a slice of the merchandising profits.
 
I don't think that Discovery started that trend. I think the TNG films did, just like the TMP set off the trend towards more introspective. Star Trek is not new to the action game, largely owing to Roddenberry framing it like an action/adventure series with TOS. That obviously changed with TMP and TNG, but then thinks swung more towards the action side again. The science in Star Trek has been sporadic, to be generous.

Yeah, I agree with that. On the TV side TNG and the first part of DS9 were pretty light on the action. The second half of DS9, VOY and ENT were heavier on the action and Discovery even more so.
 
didn’t he just lower the mass of the station and then used the thrusters amiche better than he could have otherwise? I don’t remember a warp field being involved.
He used a Subspace Field to do that, which is just another name for the Warp Field used by starships.

Really, the whole Dilithium storyline in Discovery was just bad writing. There are a thousand and one different ways to generate power. And a thousand and one different ways to transfer that power around. Meaning that while whatever you end up with might not have the efficiency of M/AM reactors. It's not a particularly difficult problem for anyone with two brain-cells to rub together to overcome.
 
I wasn't saying that Star Trek is hard science fiction or that science was the focus of the series. I was just saying that whatever level of science existed in previous series has become less prominent in Discovery and other things like action and feelings have become more prominent (again, relative to previous series). Though the pivot towards more action certainly began before Discovery. I also never said you needed to have a science fiction background to run the show.
I think the level of science is about the same. Stamets can technobabble with the best of them and the show hasn't shied away from using scientific terms, lingo and jargon. Pseudo and otherwise. As for the "feels", TNG was definitely a show about feels. A lot of family drama, romance and the occasional tragedy. It could be a bit psychobabbly too, in keeping with the time it was produced. It usually had an action piece in most episodes, IIRC.
 
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