I have the funny feeling Kovich will soon tell Burnham that Vulcan was destroyed in the Kelvinverse. And she'll find another level of bonding with Book.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x03 - "Choose to Live"
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Too bad they never did that in the twenty-fourth century either either on the TNG TV series or the TNG films especially.
Kirk giving Khan Noonien Singh access to the Enterprise technical manuals is the security breach that really takes the cake in all of Star Trek.
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i think that in many jurisdictions she would get impeached for first degree and the defense would have it lowered to second.
me too actually and the inscription seemed a callback to that.
there is the whole thing about him losing his home world, everyone he loved, his connection to his past, to his everything really. I guess he should have just manned up kicked that one down the road, huh?Looks like Burnham taught Book how to cry.
This was a good episode, performed well, but I cannot wrap my head around the villain. Why did J’Vini hire mercenaries at risk of exposing the Abronians’ secret to money-hungry killers instead of talking honestly to her sisterhood? Why not hire an engineer (apparently years ago?) to revive the sleeping Abronians, then if she didn’t trust the engineer, kill her? Or better yet- maybe not kill? This path as presented could have absolutely been resolved by her order’s primary virtue- “unfiltered honesty”.
My main takeaway must be that there’s more to J’Vini than we saw here, or absolute candor in this time period has become an afterthought, or that Starfleet, the Qowat Milat, and maybe everyone else values latinum more than lives.
My main takeaway must be that there’s more to J’Vini than we saw here, or absolute candor in this time period has become an afterthought, or that Starfleet, the Qowat Milat, and maybe everyone else values latinum more than lives.
very good points. As I said above: that part of the episode makes zero sense. A real pity, as the rest of it is pretty good.
They ruined a perfectly classic premise with a deeply stupid villain, and reduced the main arc to a B plot. Again, Stamets and Book’s story is the highlight, but this time the substance is too brief and does nothing to move the arc forward. Saru is an all too brief respite from what ever else is going on as if he exists in his own little universe.
If you have a villain whose shtick is they can’t trust anyone, not even her own space nuns, but the audience knows Starfleet is all about saving mysterious sub-impulse sleeper ships, and the Vulcans not only invented the Prime Directive but are no longer dickish space elves then you have to establish how the villain does not know any of that. Oh, but she does trust mercenaries, mercenaries who use swords for no reason. She must have paid extra for that.
I’m also very tired of these ships having no defenses against beaming.
Tilly is decent. I wish they would acknowledge her progress got reset season 2 and “fate” betrayed her season 3. They really need to focus on her controlling or shedding her anxiety on her path to being a decent officer, and this seems like a step that way. It’s an opportunity to make up for Barkley’s treatment.
Adira and Gray’s story need to be a single filler episode and would have been in past series. It feels too much like padding purely for the sake of extending episodes and it doesn’t help that I feel like I don’t know anything about the two this season besides them caring about each other.
If you have a villain whose shtick is they can’t trust anyone, not even her own space nuns, but the audience knows Starfleet is all about saving mysterious sub-impulse sleeper ships, and the Vulcans not only invented the Prime Directive but are no longer dickish space elves then you have to establish how the villain does not know any of that. Oh, but she does trust mercenaries, mercenaries who use swords for no reason. She must have paid extra for that.
I’m also very tired of these ships having no defenses against beaming.
Tilly is decent. I wish they would acknowledge her progress got reset season 2 and “fate” betrayed her season 3. They really need to focus on her controlling or shedding her anxiety on her path to being a decent officer, and this seems like a step that way. It’s an opportunity to make up for Barkley’s treatment.
Adira and Gray’s story need to be a single filler episode and would have been in past series. It feels too much like padding purely for the sake of extending episodes and it doesn’t help that I feel like I don’t know anything about the two this season besides them caring about each other.
No, I imagine the writers all got together and said “Ok, We need to stop Burnam from crying every episode. We need to split up the crying among the other characters. Share the crying! Let’s start with Book. How do we get him to cry?”
The geniuses then came up with what you posted. I’m curious to see how they are going to make the other characters cry.
Hopefully they all cry at some point. It's ok to cry. Even Mars weeps.No, I imagine the writers all got together and said “Ok, We need to stop Burnam from crying every episode. We need to split up the crying among the other characters. Share the crying! Let’s start with Book. How do we get him to cry?”
The geniuses then came up with what you posted. I’m curious to see how they are going to make the other characters cry.
To be fair the Federation has been MIA since the Burn and were literally about to sign an alliance (albeit under extenuating circumstances) with the evil Emerald Chain just last year. So the renegade Qowat Milat has no reason to trust the current Federation which is basically a wounded animal that could lash out at any time.
Going beyond just Tilly here, I think the show should address that any of Discovery's crew, including Tilly, has a really long shot at taking command of any of the 32nd century starships other than Discovery. Are Byzantine Empire generals suddenly transported to the 21st century going to be considered for command of modern military vessels armed with weapons, no matter how much catch-up reading they do and how well mannered they are? I doubt it.
In real life no. In Star Trek yes.
Something about the meld that really annoyed me is Books nephew disappearing looked exactly something I just can't place. The way he turns to dust.
Thanos snap maybe ?
Thanos snap maybe ?
Was thinking the exact same thing, yes.
in terms of character and camera placement, it seemed a bit like Arwen's vision of her future son in LOTR: The Two Towers
Actually, they have.
Or at least sort of.
Each and every section of a corridor on a SF ship can be isolated with forcefields. (as we saw on multiple occasions).
TNG crew even put into a forcefield on the bridge those telepathic aliens who made a replica of Picard.
Even on VOY... they used this method to isolate a few intruders... and 7 of 9 when her Borg tech was reactivated by the USS Raven.
What bugs me is that when VOY crew encountered the Equinox, they devised an internal 'net' of forcefields which would automatically go around intruding aliens... on which I thought to myself: 'Why? Internat forcefields have been used in such a capacity before, so all you need to do is tell the computer to automatically erect forcefields on alien intrusion'.
That, and SF ships should REALLY have those internal defensive systems aboard that are running off a secondary system.
That way... boarding parties would have to go fight through a plethora of automated internal systems to get anywhere (even if the internal forcefields are down)... whould have come in handy with the Kazon in 'Basics' and several attempts at capture.
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Consistency in tech? Not in Star Trek.
I had the same thoughts. It didn't really make any sense. She didn't even need to hire an engineer since Burnham (who is not an engineer) was able to figure out how to wake them in 5 minutes. It was odd to focus on collecting dilithium for the moon ship on the off chance that the anomaly passes through the system. Is it really worth killing someone for a contingency that may never materialize? Even then, killing him was completely unnecessary.
And is Starfleet really that untrustworthy to her? What about her own government? The Vulcan science institute is presented as a competent organization in the same episode! Why wouldn't she go to them for help?
And the happy ending where the Abronians are floating towards the planet disregards that the anomaly is still a threat so unless they can float back to the moon ship on the double they are pretty much screwed. But they played happy music at the end so I guess J’Vini doesn't need to worry about that anymore.
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