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Anyone else have a friend or family member suffering the effects of long-term Covid ?

It can be unfathomably horrifying, and I wonder every day why it doesn't get more press...
 
I wonder every day why it doesn't get more press...

Unfortunately, I can think of a couple of reasons. According to a book I read, back in 1918, information on what was going on back then was suppressed as part of an ongoing war effort to keep things positive and prevent people from panicking, and it actually ended up leaving very little information that the future can glimpse. Now, obviously the difference here is that there is no war, but I still think there's a similar effect via different news sources not choosing to report the reality of the situation and it's unfortunately become quite politicized.

Sorry to hear about your family member having to deal with it. It must be horrible. :(
 
Yep. Keep the darkest parts you can keep quiet very quiet and try not to panic people any more than many of them already are.
 
Yep. Keep the darkest parts you can keep quiet very quiet and try not to panic people any more than many of them already are.

The irony is that it only stoked more fear and panic. The core message at the end of the book mentioned that what actually made people panic more, was the fear of the unknown. They were seeing people dying left and right of a strange disease and were left in the dark as to the cause. The main thought back then that it had been 'just the flu', or even pneumonia.
 
Anyone else have a friend or family member suffering the effects of long-term Covid ?

Oh, I'm so sorry to hear this. :( From everything I've read, long Covid sounds awful, and has severe negative impacts on your quality of life. I hope things start to improve for them sometime soon.

It can be unfathomably horrifying, and I wonder every day why it doesn't get more press...

I actually thought that it was getting a fair amount of press, at least around here? It seems we're regularly seeing articles regarding the effects, the ongoing study of the condition, or even just reminders not to forget the people still suffering from it.
 
Unfortunately, I can think of a couple of reasons. According to a book I read, back in 1918, information on what was going on back then was suppressed as part of an ongoing war effort to keep things positive and prevent people from panicking, and it actually ended up leaving very little information that the future can glimpse. Now, obviously the difference here is that there is no war, but I still think there's a similar effect via different news sources not choosing to report the reality of the situation and it's unfortunately become quite politicized.

Sorry to hear about your family member having to deal with it. It must be horrible. :(

Thank you, Owain - that was very kind of you to say.

It makes no sense to me that it's downplayed and ignored so much - if people knew just how bad it can be when it lingers it might have spurred more to get the vaccine when it became available, and more to quarantine and observe safety protocols in the year before it was.
 
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear this. :( From everything I've read, long Covid sounds awful, and has severe negative impacts on your quality of life. I hope things start to improve for them sometime soon.

I actually thought that it was getting a fair amount of press, at least around here? It seems we're regularly seeing articles regarding the effects, the ongoing study of the condition, or even just reminders not to forget the people still suffering from it.

My thanks to you, too, Avro - it really is awful, and I appreciate your kind words.

My brother got it in May of 2020 - he'd been in strict, zero-contact quarantine, and went out for gas at 3AM, thinking that no one would be there. Just as he was finishing a woman wandered over (he thinks she was drunk) trying to talk and coughed on him. A week later he was in the ICU, and he fought for his life for months.

He's been home for a year now - my siblings and I take care of him, and he and his wonderful wife live with me as he does his physical & cognitive therapy. He'd been a very successful engineer for 40+ years, but had to learn how to tie his shoelaces and hold a pen again, and to this day he still forgets his children's names.

Maybe I've missed a lot of the stories about the long-term effects - not a lot of time to watch the news here ! - so I might have the wrong perspective, but if an anti-vaxxer spent just an hour seeing what my brother goes through they'd be sprinting to get the shot like their shoes were on fire.
 
My thanks to you, too, Avro - it really is awful, and I appreciate your kind words.

My brother got it in May of 2020 - he'd been in strict, zero-contact quarantine, and went out for gas at 3AM, thinking that no one would be there. Just as he was finishing a woman wandered over (he thinks she was drunk) trying to talk and coughed on him. A week later he was in the ICU, and he fought for his life for months.

He's been home for a year now - my siblings and I take care of him, and he and his wonderful wife live with me as he does his physical & cognitive therapy. He'd been a very successful engineer for 40+ years, but had to learn how to tie his shoelaces and hold a pen again, and to this day he still forgets his children's names.

Maybe I've missed a lot of the stories about the long-term effects - not a lot of time to watch the news here ! - so I might have the wrong perspective, but if an anti-vaxxer spent just an hour seeing what my brother goes through they'd be sprinting to get the shot like their shoes were on fire.
Unfortunately, most of the anti-vaxxers are now at the point where only things that happen to them or within their immediate circle might influence them to get the shot.
 
I actually thought that it was getting a fair amount of press, at least around here? It seems we're regularly seeing articles regarding the effects, the ongoing study of the condition, or even just reminders not to forget the people still suffering from it.

I do actually feel Canada's done better than most, at least in not shying from getting the information out there. But what really gets me are the protesters in front of our hospitals on their 'Do No Harm' principle, when in fact they're harming themselves in the process.

It makes no sense to me that it's downplayed and ignored so much - if people knew just how bad it can be when it lingers it might have spurred more to get the vaccine when it became available, and more to quarantine and observe safety protocols in the year before it was.

Agreed. I don't know where you are, but I think the kind of information seen out there depends greatly on where one lives and their access to news sources. The good ones should be reporting unbiased and with clear facts. But sadly, I think there are a lot that use Facebook as their news source and don't stop to think of where it comes from. And unfortunately, you have stories of deniers catching Covid and who STILL don't believe in the safety and preventative measures, many of whom end up dying.

I sadly had known someone up until recently (no longer friends) who believed the virus wasn't real, nevermind the fact that this person never once watched or listened to the news, preferring to use Facebook instead. They had also asked that if the supposed virus was so bad, why were kids allowed to not be vaccinated, when clearly we all know it was an issue of it being approved.

I had to go to the ER recently, which made me quite anxious and nervous given the pandemic. In the past, it wasn't unheard of for people to spend 4+ hours in the waiting room, but fortunately they were very well organized, didn't spend more than 5 min in the waiting room before being whisked away elsewhere in the building, and after a number of tests, I had only been there for roughly an hour and a half.

My parents are elderly, in the 70-80 bracket, so I've been extremely careful ever since it began.
 
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Agreed. I don't know where you are, but I think the kind of information seen out there depends greatly on where one lives and their access to news sources. The good ones should be reporting unbiased and with clear facts. But sadly, I think there are a lot that use Facebook as their news source and don't stop to think of where it comes from. And unfortunately, you have stories of deniers catching Covid and who STILL don't believe in the safety and preventative measures, many of whom end up dying.

I sadly had known someone up until recently (no longer friends) who believed the virus wasn't real, nevermind the fact that this person never once watched or listened to the news, preferring to use Facebook instead. They had also asked that if the supposed virus was so bad, why were kids allowed to not be vaccinated, when clearly we all know it was an issue of it being approved.

I had to go to the ER recently, which made me quite anxious and nervous given the pandemic In the past, it wasn't unheard of for people to spend 4+ hours in the waiting room, but fortunately they were very well organized, didn't spend more than 5 min in the waiting room before being whisked away elsewhere in the building, and after a number of tests, I had only been there for roughly an hour and a half.

My parents are elderly, in the 70-80 bracket, so I've been extremely careful ever since it began.

Ah, Dr. Facebook ! That's just like getting your MD from the University of Twitter... :rolleyes:

I'm in the mountains of south west/central PA and have access to just about every news source, so when I have the time my go-to is NPR, Rachel Maddow, or the Washington Post. Facts and science, so no bullshit about vaccines making you magnetic, putting "chips" in you for tracking, injecting bleach, or putting a "light source" up your... whatever. Hard to believe people actually think that stuff is real, but they do - God, help us, they do !

Glad to hear your trip to the ER was so fast - that's very telling of Canadian medicine, as here we'd consider a 4-hour wait a good turn-around time !

My best to you and your parents - stay safe.
 
yone else have a friend or family member suffering the effects of long-term Covid ?
Sorry for your brother @Westie1701, hope he feels better soon.

It can be unfathomably horrifying, and I wonder every day why it doesn't get more press...

According to a book I read, back in 1918, information on what was going on back then was suppressed as part of an ongoing war effort to keep things positive and prevent people from panicking, and it actually ended up leaving very little information that the future can glimpse.

It makes no sense to me that it's downplayed and ignored so much - if people knew just how bad it can be when it lingers it might have spurred more to get the vaccine when it became available, and more to quarantine and observe safety protocols in the year before it was.

Maybe I've missed a lot of the stories about the long-term effects - not a lot of time to watch the news here ! - so I might have the wrong perspective, but if an anti-vaxxer spent just an hour seeing what my brother goes through they'd be sprinting to get the shot like their shoes were on fire.

It is strange how little actual evidence a pandemic is happening, it's no wonder some do not believe it is going on. Graphs and statistics abound but very little physical proof.

I had cause to visit a hospital at the height of it for unrelated treatments and I had to ask if covid patients were even there. They said yes but zero visible evidence. No line of ambulances, never saw or heard one come or go at all. No places off limits to anyone other than normal. NOTHING! Only the common entrance questions.

I live a block away from a funeral home, everyday I go by it looking for signs but activity around it has not increased one bit throughout the entire pandemic. If anything business has fallen off lately.

I know and have seen people who know someone that had, or died of it but I only know a single person personally who caught a breakthrough but recovered within a week.

On the tube, I recall seeing some aerial views of semi trailers supposedly filled to the brim with the deceased but just their word for that. Couple views of people in ICU, supposedly, on incubators but again, never anything that really indicated the level of carnage we are being told is going on.

Not that I have a bloodlust to see mountain sized piles of deceased but as a means of convincing those hesitant to get vaxxed it might do some good.
 
I'm in the mountains of south west/central PA and have access to just about every news source, so when I have the time my go-to is NPR, Rachel Maddow, or the Washington Post. Facts and science, so no bullshit about vaccines making you magnetic, putting "chips" in you for tracking, injecting bleach, or putting a "light source" up your... whatever. Hard to believe people actually think that stuff is real, but they do - God, help us, they do !


Yeah, I am amazed how it's all come out of the woodwork, but there were also a lot of quirky solutions even back in 1918. Proof that nothing ever changes, even though we should technically know a lot better since then! If you're interested, the book I'm referring to is The Great Influenza by John M. Barry. I found it highly informative and I've learned about early medicine from it. It was a very enlightening read.

As for the wait times, here in my Province, a majority of people don't have family doctors and rely more on walk-in-clinics for their needs, and it's even more true further north like where I live. I've waited even longer at one of those clinics once before, for 4-8 hours before I was seen.

It is strange how little actual evidence a pandemic is happening, it's no wonder some do not believe it is going on. Graphs and statistics abound but very little physical proof.

It's a bit of a repeat from 1918, but for different reasons. Very early on, because of the war, there was a blanket on anything related to the pandemic. And records weren't kept very well like they are now. Nowadays, we do have the capability, to keep better records, and better technology and knowledge to help fight our epidemics. Now it's as if there's an unwillingness to embrace the facts, leading to many of the same mistakes that were made back then. We could do so much better if we were all to stick together (although not so close together, thank you) and be on the same page. It's really unfortunate that's become politicized in some parts of the world, because it really shouldn't be. There's a reason it's a world-wide pandemic, because it's affecting nearly everybody either directly or indirectly. Covid doesn't care for political affiliations.
 
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My brother got it in May of 2020 - he'd been in strict, zero-contact quarantine, and went out for gas at 3AM, thinking that no one would be there. Just as he was finishing a woman wandered over (he thinks she was drunk) trying to talk and coughed on him. A week later he was in the ICU, and he fought for his life for months.

He's been home for a year now - my siblings and I take care of him, and he and his wonderful wife live with me as he does his physical & cognitive therapy. He'd been a very successful engineer for 40+ years, but had to learn how to tie his shoelaces and hold a pen again, and to this day he still forgets his children's names.

OMG, that is heartbreaking. :( Best wishes to your brother, and I truly hope his condition starts to improve soon.

Just as he was finishing a woman wandered over (he thinks she was drunk) trying to talk and coughed on him.

There. Are. No. Words. :mad:

I had to go to the ER recently, which made me quite anxious and nervous given the pandemic. In the past, it wasn't unheard of for people to spend 4+ hours in the waiting room, but fortunately they were very well organized, didn't spend more than 5 min in the waiting room before being whisked away elsewhere in the building, and after a number of tests, I had only been there for roughly an hour and a half.

The last time I had to go to Urgent Care (supposed to be an "emergency room" style centre for non-emergency medical issues) was last year during the first wave. I think I was only in the main waiting room for around half an hour... but overall I was still in the hospital for seven hours, because every time they moved me somewhere else, it set off a new round of waiting, each longer than the last.
 
The last time I had to go to Urgent Care (supposed to be an "emergency room" style centre for non-emergency medical issues) was last year during the first wave. I think I was only in the main waiting room for around half an hour... but overall I was still in the hospital for seven hours, because every time they moved me somewhere else, it set off a new round of waiting, each longer than the last.

Seven hours during Covid?? I have to think they've improved their times since then. You don't want to stay in one place too long.
 
Yeah, I am amazed how it's all come out of the woodwork, but there were also a lot of quirky solutions even back in 1918. Proof that nothing ever changes, even though we should technically know a lot better since then! If you're interested, the book I'm referring to is The Great Influenza by John M. Barry. I found it highly informative and I've learned about early medicine from it. It was a very enlightening read.

As for the wait times, here in my Province, a majority of people don't have family doctors and rely more on walk-in-clinics for their needs, and it's even more true further north like where I live. I've waited even longer at one of those clinics once before, for 4-8 hours before I was seen.



It's a bit of a repeat from 1918, but for different reasons. Very early on, because of the war, there was a blanket on anything related to the pandemic. And records weren't kept very well like they are now. Nowadays, we do have the capability, to keep better records, and better technology and knowledge to help fight our epidemics. Now it's as if there's an unwillingness to embrace the facts, leading to many of the same mistakes that were made back then. We could do so much better if we were all to stick together (although not so close together, thank you) and be on the same page. It's really unfortunate that's become politicized in some parts of the world, because it really shouldn't be. There's a reason it's a world-wide pandemic, because it's affecting nearly everybody either directly or indirectly. Covid doesn't care for political affiliations.

Thank you so much for the book recommendation, Owain ! It's a subject I've studied over my lifetime, as I have family records and the old family Bible with the names of those, tragically mostly children, who died from the Great Flu, and an account of the events written by my great-grandfather.

We actually still own a tiny plot of land - the only thing left from the original family farm in Alabama - that's a cemetery where those we lost were buried. I take care of the taxes and pay someone to trim the grass and keep the fence in good repair, and visit every few years when I can make the 1000+ mile trip to leave flowers.

And I agree wholeheartedly about sticking together ! If not for the crazypants deniers and people screeching about "Mah Freedum !" we could have had this well in hand a year ago...

Unfortunately, Darwin's gonna Darwin :brickwall:
 
Thank you so much for the book recommendation, Owain ! It's a subject I've studied over my lifetime, as I have family records and the old family Bible with the names of those, tragically mostly children, who died from the Great Flu, and an account of the events written by my great-grandfather.

No problem! It's so interesting to hear that you have family records including accounts seeing as there wasn't much to begin with in regards to that pandemic. Your family must have some interesting stories. As for me, I was intensely curious and felt I needed to read something about it. Some understandably find it a little too close for comfort given what we're all going through, but on the other hand, I find it comforting to know what they were going through, and the way I see it, with that kind of information, we can always ask ourselves how we can do better.

I always find it funny seeing deniers talk about their freedom. If those in 1918 had a vaccine available as quickly as it was available here, things would have turned out very differently, and I can imagine they'd have trouble getting it out there quickly enough for the masses. If 'freedom' means declining the vaccine, I'd rather sacrifice a bit of that as a tradeoff to better health and assurances, both for the immediate and the future.
 
With our cases already some of the highest in the province, that doesn't bode well. They'll be starting new restrictions soon, no doubt.

And today we heard that a cousin of mine out in Quebec got infected, and he was vaccinated. The first indication that something was off was his sense of smell, and has been slowly developing other symptoms.
 
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