The ocean is not a phenomenon, it's artificially created and maintained with a machine at its center. That btw makes you wonder about the creature near its center that lives hundreds of kilometers underwater. I mean the original ocean wasn't deeper than our own, IE ten kilometers at most and this one is only a hundred thousand years old so how did that creature manage to evolve in so short a time?
Why does Harry Kim never get promoted?
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The ocean is not a phenomenon, it's artificially created and maintained with a machine at its center. That btw makes you wonder about the creature near its center that lives hundreds of kilometers underwater. I mean the original ocean wasn't deeper than our own, IE ten kilometers at most and this one is only a hundred thousand years old so how did that creature manage to evolve in so short a time?
If it's ten thousand years old...
Are they the original inhabitants, or even the builders?
It could be a reservation built by the Preservers?
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Preservers
Wait, the Borg were defeated in the "Timeless" timeline? I don't recall that at all. It's been a while since I saw the episode though...
I may be getting my time lines mixed up.
They definitely had the Borg in check in the Admiral Janeway Time Line.
As Far as the timeless timeline goes, the Federation was not a Borg colony in the 25th century, so they must have beat the Borg back if not to death.
Besides, as long as there's a Captain Braxton, Earth makes it to the 29th century without being assimilated.
It doesn't matter. Starfleet isn't like the Future Crime Bureau in "Minority Report". So, they can't exactly punish Harry for things that his alternate future self did. But hey, it's as good as any other rationale they can some up with for Harry's long ensignhood, since they are all utter crap.
Anyway isn't the Harry Kim at the end of Voyager a different Harry Kim from the pilot episode, mean from an alternate time even?
Why not? Braxton is ....
(OK, that's 29th century Starfleet rather than 24th century Starfleet, but still)
Twice.
He let Janeway go back in time in Endgame, and he went back in Timeless.
Alt Harries?
The Next Emination, he told people that their religion was shit, and that their happy resting place was a gas station for Voyager.
Futures End, he drove Voyager in front of a TV camera.
He had sex with a forbidden species until his penis started glowing.
All Harry Kim's are genetically doomed.
No. Before the spatial split occured, there was only one Harry. They were only "different" Harry's for a short time. The fact that Harry and Naomi from Voyager A and everyone else from Voyager B survived is irrelevant in terms of Harry's rank seniority. And, because everyone died in one reality and lived in another, they're all in the same boat in that regard, too.
It could have been interesting if the two Voyagers from "Deadlock" turned out to be from more divergent timelines than we were initially led to believe, but I would have preferred for that to be a slow reveal over several episodes, not something to cram into this episode, and it might have retroactively damaged "Deadlock".
Certainly, they could have done more with Deadlock than they did; Voyager sacrificed a lot of intriguing plotlines and character development to the Big Red Reset Button.
However, where Harry Kim is concerned, the fact that Harry (and Naomi) lived in one "reality" and the rest of the crew lived in the other is irrelevant. The point of divergence was at most hours in the past, so both Harry's were essentially identical (like Will and Tom Riker, moments after the botched beam-up that left Will safe and Tom marooned). It had no effect whatsoever on whether Harry deserved to be promoted.
However, where Harry Kim is concerned, the fact that Harry (and Naomi) lived in one "reality" and the rest of the crew lived in the other is irrelevant. The point of divergence was at most hours in the past, so both Harry's were essentially identical (like Will and Tom Riker, moments after the botched beam-up that left Will safe and Tom marooned). It had no effect whatsoever on whether Harry deserved to be promoted.
Oh, I agree. As presented there's basically no impact...I always figured the divergence point was when they entered the anomaly of the week at the beginning of the episode and began losing fuel or whatever. I'm not sure why some people seem to get very excited about how there's a 'different' Harry Kim at the end. He's not much different from the Miles O'Brien who replaced "our" Miles in "Visionary".
I was just saying that if the writers had wanted to go in that direction, and I'm not saying it would have been a good direction to go, they could have had it develop that the Harry Kim who joined "our" crew at the end (and who's to say which one was really "our" crew to begin with?) wasn't from as identical a timeline as we believed. Something as divergent as the MU probably wouldn't have made much sense, but maybe this is why Harry went from playing the clarinet to playing the sax.
I was just saying that if the writers had wanted to go in that direction, and I'm not saying it would have been a good direction to go, they could have had it develop that the Harry Kim who joined "our" crew at the end (and who's to say which one was really "our" crew to begin with?) wasn't from as identical a timeline as we believed. Something as divergent as the MU probably wouldn't have made much sense, but maybe this is why Harry went from playing the clarinet to playing the sax.
I rewatched Timeless recently. There is no indication the Borg were defeated at all.
was just saying that if the writers had wanted to go in that direction, and I'm not saying it would have been a good direction to go, they could have had it develop that the Harry Kim who joined "our" crew at the end (and who's to say which one was really "our" crew to begin with?) wasn't from as identical a timeline as we believed. Something as divergent as the MU probably wouldn't have made much sense, but maybe this is why Harry went from playing the clarinet to playing the sax.
That could have actually worked, if properly handled. Of course, in the hands of people who didn't even understand that an ensign is supposed to make lieutenant, the results probably would have been laughable.
Seven years of not being promoted doesn't seem so bad, since its technically taken Tilly several hundred years.
Tilly is silly but I love her
Old Kes went back to season one, and the timeline split in season one.
In one Timeline, the older, more original Time line, Kes blows up the warp core and everyone dies in season 6.
In the other time line which is newer, the story diverges after s01e05, where old Kes is murdered, her corpse is stored in the hold, and young kes leaves a voicemail for old Kes, pleading with her doddering older self not to kill everyone at the end of season 6, and she doesn't.
Almost 6 seasons of Voyager didn't happen.
In one Timeline, the older, more original Time line, Kes blows up the warp core and everyone dies in season 6.
In the other time line which is newer, the story diverges after s01e05, where old Kes is murdered, her corpse is stored in the hold, and young kes leaves a voicemail for old Kes, pleading with her doddering older self not to kill everyone at the end of season 6, and she doesn't.
Almost 6 seasons of Voyager didn't happen.
Dude.
I just described Fury.
I didn't even get into the bit where Neelix almost has a threesome.
They should have done a Neelix gets down episode called Furry.
Imagine if there was a Furry on Voyager, a person who like to have sex with people in animal costumes, and they still didn't want to boff Neelix.
Sad.
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