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Poll Dune (2021) Spoiler/Rating Thread

Rating?

  • A+

    Votes: 18 23.4%
  • A

    Votes: 26 33.8%
  • A-

    Votes: 14 18.2%
  • B+

    Votes: 3 3.9%
  • B

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • B-

    Votes: 4 5.2%
  • C+

    Votes: 4 5.2%
  • C

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • C-

    Votes: 3 3.9%
  • D+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D-

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • F

    Votes: 1 1.3%

  • Total voters
    77
In both 1984's Dune and 2000 miniseries, the Harkonnens are red haired. In this 2021 movie, they are bald.

In the books, were they gingers haired or bald ?
IIRC, FH's novels describe the Baron as originally being a tall, muscular man with reddish-golden hair and a distinctive widow's peak. However, I might be conflating that description with one in the BH&KJA books. I can't recall his hair being described for his morbidly obese state. It's not a big deal for the movie to reinterpret his appearance. It'll be interesting to see what Feyd-Rautha looks like if DV even uses that character. He might not and just have Paul face off against Glossu Rabban.

BTW, I don't care if the Fenrings aren't included. You can too easily overegg a pudding.

I believe I first came across the concept of an ornithopter when I read the novel, many moons ago. The last time I googled ornithopters was years ago-the prototypes were the size of model planes.
There have been manned versions. Really, it seems like a dead-end technology to me - helicopters do it better. I expect Frank Herbert used them to make the distant future not an obvious extension of our world.

Ornithopter - Manned flight Wikipedia
 
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I'll say that I've never been a fan of Dune. I watched the Lynch film as a kid and hated it. I tried re-watching it last winter, and I couldn't even get through it. But, this looked pretty cool. I loved Denis Villeneuve's take on "Blade Runner" and I enjoyed "The Arrival," so I figured I'd give this a shot.

I'm glad that I did. I didn't LOVE it...but it was very entertaining and very much an immersive experience. I also appreciate a big, epic film that isn't the standard Michael Bay / MCU crapfest...so this was a lot of fun. I'd recommend it to casual fans and sci-fi freaks like me. I can't speak for people who are really into the book...as I've never read it (and likely will not), so this doesn't factor into my assessment at all.

My experience is pretty similar. I've read a lot of classic SF, but never read the Dune series - which might be because my parents weren't fans. I had watched the Lynch version as a kid, which I found weird/interesting, but not enthralling. I've never seen the SyFy miniseries. I came into this mostly because I like Villeneuve's work elsewhere.

As to what I thought - good but not great?

Visually speaking, it was an absolute feast. It was refreshing after seeing so many genre films in recent years where everything was done via green screen to actually see some use of real landscape in storytelling again. The score was also fantastic, adding so much to each of the scenes. Unlike some other reviews I have read, I cant say I had any particular issues with any of the performances as well.

My issues with the movie boil down to two things.

One, I felt like there was a little too much emphasis on the visual element over character. This might be in part because of attempts to be very true to the book (while also having to compact it for movie runtime) but I felt like the movie really needed a half-dozen or so more scenes of dialogue over more austere landscape shots. Having a cool/remote detached aspect is fine (I felt like Villeneuve's Blade Runner also had that) but with a much wider cast of characters than his former works, everything feels spread much more thin.

The second element is the pacing. This feels like a movie adapted from (the first half of) a novel almost beat for beat (though I know some things were left out). It doesn't feel like what we've come to call "a movie" because it not only lacks the cliche "save the cat" plot beats, but even an identifiable three-act structure. This can be seen in that the big action scenes come roughly midway through the movie, and then there's basically declining levels of action from then on in, culminating in a relatively blasé (in terms of fight choreography) one-on-one fight. I'm glad they tried to make it something which is emotionally weighty - that Paul essentially killing a random mook became important because he never killed before, and doesn't want to kill - but it would have made much more sense to cut the movie right after Paul and Jessica crash and walk off into the desert. Essentially this reads like half of a serialized TV season which was inexplicably cut at a random point.
 
Pretty epic all around. My one 'thing' with this version is that it will easily confuse people who don't already know the story and/or have read the book. I really feel like this movie was made for Dune fans rather than the average moviegoing public, but it IS a very hard story to put to film. Will definitely be taking in second and maybe even third viewings. I want the second half made! The one thing I will give the '84 version over this one is the music by Toto / Brian Eno- that wasn't going to be topped, no how, no way, even though the soundtrack for this version is superlative.

What was really needed here was the same cast, director, production values, and an 8 to 10-part miniseries. All story elements and world building could have been done justice.
The sad truth is that even 2.5 hours isn't enough to do justice to half of the book. This could have easily been a 3.5 hour movie. I'm sort of hoping for an extended Director's Cut, kind of like with the 4-hour Lynch version.

Although relatively coherent, it is a little odd which story points get attention in this version and which are all but ignored. Dr. Yueh's Imperial Conditioning is not mentioned once, making one wonder why he was so trusted to start with. No mention of the abilities of Mentats (human computers), and the roles of Thufir Howatt and Piter DeVries are cut back to almost cameos. The Bene Gesserit and their abilities are addressed, but they have to be as they are essential to the narrative. What is missed, however, is their need for Spice along with that of the Guild Navigators, and the whole politicking between the Bene Gesserit, the Spacing Guild, the Emperor, and the Landsraad. The Butlerian Jihad gets no mention or reference whatsoever.

The trip from Caladan to Arrakis is handled as a jump-cut- you never see a space-fold or hear it mentioned; for the uninitiated, Heighliners might as well travel by warp or hyperspace. There is no real mention of Guild Navigators or the way they are mutated over centuries by the Spice. One thing the movie does well is impart a sense of scale with respect to the various ships and vehicles- they are frakkin' huge. You could fit half of starfleet in that Heighliner!

The scene of Paul's Testing by the Reverend Mother, and the way this version handled The Voice, is awesome, although I felt that someone with Jessica's level of training would have maintained better control over herself. The Litany Against Fear is so broken up that it never gets done justice.

One of the cooler things from the new Dune movie- the ornithopters. Been reading about these type of craft since I was a kid and they always seemed fanciful. Even more so in a movie where the protagonists obviously have gravity control. That said, these were really neat, and in a theater with good Dolby, you felt their arrival or departure in every pore of your body. I know some people are still reticent about movie theaters- that's their loss. This movie shines on the big screen with theater-quality sound.
 
Pretty epic all around. My one 'thing' with this version is that it will easily confuse people who don't already know the story and/or have read the book.

My wife has never read Dune - it all made sense to her - taking a few of your points as examples

Dr. Yueh's Imperial Conditioning is not mentioned once, making one wonder why he was so trusted to start with.

All the normal viewer needed to know is he betrayed his Duke for his wife - makes sense as a motive.

What is missed, however, is their need for Spice along with that of the Guild Navigators, and the whole politicking between the Bene Gesserit, the Spacing Guild, the Emperor, and the Landsraad.

They explain spice is what makes travel possible - the guild navigators and that aspect of it I suspect comes into the second film.
 
Pretty epic all around. My one 'thing' with this version is that it will easily confuse people who don't already know the story and/or have read the book.

Not really. I hadn't read the books and I had no problem following the movie. It's a pretty simple story.

House Harkonnen controlled Arrakis for 80 years and became wealthy mining the spice, The Emperor gives control of Arrakis over to House Atreides to sow conflict between the two houses, the Freman are the natives on the planet, Paul is a chosen one created from centuries of genetic manipulation, and there's giant Graboids in the sand.
 
I really enjoyed it. I’ve never read Dune all the way through. I started it but it just didn’t grab me. I did see the Lynch version and this one was much better. A-

I really hope that they make part 2.
 
There was no need to sow conflict, it was already there.

The emperor and baron were in cahoots though I'm not sure the reason has ever been fully explained on screen (Thufir gives a good explanation in the book)

It's mentioned that House Atreides/Duke Leto is getting quite popular in the Landsraad ( though it's not explained what the Landsraad is but a halfway intelligent viewer should correctly assume it is some kind of government or parliament), which starts to worry the Emperor. Should be an easy enough connection that the Emperor conspired with the Harkonnen to kill off the Atreides and he helped them by providing his elite Sardaukar, otherwise it could have well be that the Atreides would have kicked Harkonnen ass. i love that fight scene between Atreides troops against Harkonnen and they're mopping the floor with them until a small number of Sardaukar get dropped behind them and they annihilate the Atreides.

Can't wait to see a full on Fremen vs. Sardaukar fight in the second movie, we only got a glimpse of it in the first movie.
 
I'm trying to decide if it'd be worth losing Feyd-Rautha in Part 2 to have no-muscles Timothee try to face off against a raging Bautista at the end instead. Denis was really pushing the bullfighter imagery in the film, even after it had been well established what it meant re: Leto's dad.
 
So I watched it today.

I had a bit of a rough day today so I'm not really up for an depth posting.

I gave it an "A". There were a couple moments, performance wise, that I did not enjoy, otherwise I thought it was really good.

I wasn't expecting this. It was a lot more... Atmospheric than I was anticipating. Reviews had led me to believe it was more action based but this was an emotional, performance driven movie - which was why the "badly" performed moments stood out.

The sound mixing needed work, at least in the IMAX I saw it in. The soundtrack drowned the dialogue in a lot of scenes. Big moments where no one could hear what was being said.

I saw it with two people who don't know anything about Dune. Who are very "Yay Transformers!" moviegoers.

They really enjoyed it, but had a lot of questions after. Which, I'm not surprised. If I didn't know so much a out it Is have been confused at parts.

I'm going with someone else next weekend to see it again and may have another viewing at home before then, I haven't decided.

I really hope that, despite the frankly depressing NA & Chinese box office numbers, Villeneuve gets to finish his trilogy. I sometimes think Messiah is a better book than Dune, and with what he did here I think his Messiah will leave audiences crying.

It'd be a crime to not at least finish the first novel.
 
Every time that music started with the woman yelling/chanting I thought Wonder Woman was appearing. :)
I’m watching the HBO Max version which is a lot brighter on my TV which is good as I can make out some of the darker scenes better.
I also got the steelbook pre ordered at HMV. Might get the vinyl as well.
 
I wanted to see this in a theater, but my hubby's got a cold, so we watched it on HBO Max.

Wow. I'm really glad we have a good tv and sound system. This was Epic on a level I've not seen in ages. I was pleasantly surprised how much I remembered - I've never seen the miniseries, but I saw the Lynch movie in theaters in 1984 and read the books soon after, so it's been a *long* time!

Visually, it was not only stunningly gorgeous, but so many little touches made me want to kiss the prop and set people. The Atreides graves, with the Sumarian-reminiscent stone on Leto's father's grave. The bull head - folks here mentioned the bullfighting symbolism, but it reminded me that "Atreides" is (I think) related to the House of Atreus in Greek myth. The shield wall being a HUGE actual wall. The Atreides armor. The interior sets in Arrakeen. The ornithopters were awesome! The bombardment and its aftermath took my breath away.

The score! I'm not well-versed on these, but a friend educated me years ago on how it can enhance or destroy scenes (or just sort of sit there) and I think Zimmer hit it out of the park here! The Middle-Eastern wordless vocals were extremely effective.

ARGH! My phone just restarted, losing a ton I'd written! However, it's now 2am, so I'll finish this tomorrow.
 
Speaking of IMAX, I’ll be in London for the Star Trek convention in November so I could try and see it in a proper 70mm IMAX if it’s still out then. It’ll be costly but people say it’s worth it.
 
One of the cooler things from the new Dune movie- the ornithopters. Been reading about these type of craft since I was a kid and they always seemed fanciful. Even more so in a movie where the protagonists obviously have gravity control. That said, these were really neat...
I loved that they actually made them into believable and grounded (no pun intended) aircraft, like futuristic Apache helicopters, rather than something unrecognizable or fanciful, like you said. Even my sister, who only had vague knowledge of Dune, said "Ooh, cool!" when the ornithopters fired up their engines. The concept and production design departments did an outstanding job all around.

As for the movie, I give it an A+.
 
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