Poll Which era of Star Trek would you rather see continue?

[Trelane_Squire_of_Gothos]

And the audience demographics have changed. Creating homogeneity is asking for stagnation and boredom. Audiences move on quickly now. It isn't the Berman era any more and it's time to move on.

The poll indicates a different perspective may be more popular. I bet if new Trek was more true to old canon and consistency, it would have been more well-liked.

Ok...so I'm not sure what you're driving at.

I said Trek felt homogenous from '87 to '05 (maybe with the exception of DS9). What are you arguing, because I can't tell...?

My sentiment there is that the saturation of the fan base would have worn off over the course of more than a decade. While Star Trek fans in the early 2000's may have felt saturated by all the Trek shows that came out prior, that sentiment is probably not going to be relevant after the passage of so much time. In fact, as the poll seems to indicate, after enough time people will start to long for what made the franchise in the first place.

 

[Vger23]

The poll indicates a different perspective may be more popular. I bet if new Trek was more true to old canon and consistency, it would have been more well-liked.

My sentiment there is that the saturation of the fan base would have worn off over the course of more than a decade. While Star Trek fans in the early 2000's may have felt saturated by all the Trek shows that came out prior, that sentiment is probably not going to be relevant after the passage of so much time. In fact, as the poll seems to indicate, after enough time people will start to long for what made the franchise in the first place.

Oh...I see...so it's basically just the 4,567th way of saying "Old stuff good. New stuff bad."

People: I'm going to come up with a new spin on the "Let's say old Star Trek is better than new Star Trek" argument.
Me:

 

[Trelane_Squire_of_Gothos]

Oh...I see...so it's basically just the 4,567th way of saying "Old stuff good. New stuff bad."

People: I'm going to come up with a new spin on the "Let's say old Star Trek is better than new Star Trek" argument.
Me:

Ha Ha! Substance is certainly important.

 

[fireproof78]

The poll indicates a different perspective may be more popular. I bet if new Trek was more true to old canon and consistency, it would have been more well-liked.

The poll is a poor sampling because it is too binary. I didn't vote even though I prefer current Trek over Berman era Trek. But, TOS doesn't belong in that slot so I did not vote. The sampling is artificially limited.

 

[Trelane_Squire_of_Gothos]

The poll is a poor sampling because it is too binary. I didn't vote even though I prefer current Trek over Berman era Trek. But, TOS doesn't belong in that slot so I did not vote. The sampling is artificially limited.

It's a perfectly fine divide and many people seemed to have no problem making the choice. If you would prefer to measure a different type of divide, you should create your own poll.

 

[fireproof78]

It's a perfectly fine divide and many people seemed to have no problem making the choice. If you would prefer to measure a different type of divide, you should create your own poll.

Because it suits your interests. It is not accurate in the slightest, as well as a self-selective measure which means it's broader application to the population is questionable. I don't need my own poll to know that. "Many people" does not inspire confidence. It's too broad.

Finally, that statistics and measurements class requirement is making a difference!

 

[Vger23]

Because it suits your interests. It is not accurate in the slightest, as well as a self-selective measure which means it's broader application to the population is questionable. I don't need my own poll to know that. "Many people" does not inspire confidence. It's too broad.

Finally, that statistics and measurements class requirement is making a difference!

Stop it, the poll clearly reflects objective reality.

 

[fireproof78]

Stop it, the poll clearly reflects objective reality.

Right, right, sorry. Who am I to argue with such hard and fast facts?

 

[Trelane_Squire_of_Gothos]

Because it suits your interests. It is not accurate in the slightest, as well as a self-selective measure which means it's broader application to the population is questionable. I don't need my own poll to know that. "Many people" does not inspire confidence. It's too broad.

Finally, that statistics and measurements class requirement is making a difference!

It depends on what you mean by "accurate." It was "accurate" for the pollster and others who were able to make a choice.

I don't think accuracy is really applicable. It's just a different measure than what you might have wanted. It's perfectly understandable though if you don't feel that making your own poll would offer a better representation.

Stop it, the poll clearly reflects objective reality.

Right, right, sorry. Who am I to argue with such hard and fast facts?

Oh, don't get me started on "objective reality." Ha Ha!

 

[fireproof78]

It depends on what you mean by "accurate." It was "accurate" for the pollster and others who were able to make a choice.

I don't think accuracy is really applicable. It's just a different measure than what you might have wanted. It's perfectly understandable though if you don't feel that making your own poll would offer a better representation.

Interesting. Then certainly hard to draw conclusions from it then.

 

[SolarisOne]

I don't know. Lower Decks is innovative and fresh, but it still evokes the earlier period. From what I've seen, it's the most popular of the modern shows. Take from that what you will.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't know. Lower Decks is innovative and fresh, but it still evokes the earlier period. From what I've seen, it's the most popular of the modern shows. Take from that what you will.

Not a whole lot, then.

 

[Laughing Dragon]

I've seen excellent Star Trek episodes in nearly every format:
Comedy
Action / Adventure
Pure Sci-Fi
Revenge Thriller
Political Intrigue
Courtroom Drama
Medical Drama
Police Procedural
Romantic Comedy
Horror/Thriller
Combat
Character Study
etc etc etc

It's one of the few franchises that can pull this off.

I very much agree with this.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug, especially with limited binary choices.

I am sorry but when retconning and retreads/reboots and going back in time and then some more is considered going forward I call it something. And I have seen it happen in another property I have enjoyed. And it continues. I rather there be a next, next generation.

 

[Vger23]

I don't know. Lower Decks is innovative and fresh, but it still evokes the earlier period. From what I've seen, it's the most popular of the modern shows. Take from that what you will.

I wouldn't say that at all.

I've seen just as much venom and BS online about LD as I have for any of the other series. I think TrekBBS leans toward liking it, but I don't see that as a broad trend online at all.

 

[fireproof78]

am sorry but when retconning and retreads/reboots and going back in time and then some more is considered going forward I call it something. And I have seen it happen in another property I have enjoyed. And it continues. I rather there be a next, next generation.

What do you call it? Curious.

 

[Nyotarules]

Did you get tired of the moral messaging?

They could have also been successful while pleasing the fan base and respecting canon.

The fan base does not speak with one voice. We don't all look and dress alike. This is Trek not Maoism

 

[Trelane_Squire_of_Gothos]

The fan base does not speak with one voice. We don't all look and dress alike. This is Trek not Maoism

Correct. The OP obviously created the poll for that reason. I didn't mean to imply that 100% of the fan base had the same opinions. I was referring to a majority of fans who were brought up on the former era who seem to prefer the older era.

 

[dupersuper]

Correct. The OP obviously created the poll for that reason. I didn't mean to imply that 100% of the fan base had the same opinions. I was referring to a majority of fans who were brought up on the former era who seem to prefer the older era.

I mean, when I rank the official shows (discounting both after-shows) I generally go:
1 TOS/TNG/DS9
2 Lower Decks
3 Short Treks
4 TAS/Enterprise/Voyager
5 Discovery
6 Picard

So the original series and two of the Berman era shows top my list and two of the new shows are on the bottom. On the other hand I like two of the new shows more than half the Berman era and TAS. So...where does that put me in the new vs. old debate? How will that change when Strange New Worlds and Prodigy start up? I've liked Discovery a little more each season; will that pass TAS/Enterprise/Voyager before it's done? How do fan films/shows factor in, especially once more start taking from the new shows? What about the expanded universe, especially stuff that encompasses all eras like Star Trek Online?

 

[Lord Garth]

after enough time people will start to long for what made the franchise in the first place.

If you want to look at it like that, then: TOS reruns, the first four movies, TNG on TV, and the Abrams Films.

The End. Without those four, the franchise as we currently know it isn't possible.

TAS, Movies 5-10, DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC, PIC, LD, and Short Treks are secondary in importance when it comes to the overall existence of The Franchise. Not the same as "not important", but secondary nonetheless.

EDITED TO ADD: Bear in mind, I just called a good amount of what I like "secondary", so this isn't based on my tastes. It's based on my reading of the history of Star Trek.

Without TOS's success in reruns, it doesn't return as a film series. Without those first four films proving Star Trek can be more than just a show from the '60s, you don't have demand to bring it back as a show for the '80s in the form of TNG. Without TNG, you don't have DS9, VOY, and ENT. Without the Abrams Films, you don't have evidence Star Trek can be brought back from the dead, and then you don't have any of the Streaming Series.

 

[fireproof78]

I mean, when I rank the official shows (discounting both after-shows) I generally go:
1 TOS/TNG/DS9
2 Lower Decks
3 Short Treks
4 TAS/Enterprise/Voyager
5 Discovery
6 Picard

So the original series and two of the Berman era shows top my list and two of the new shows are on the bottom. On the other hand I like two of the new shows more than half the Berman era and TAS. So...where does that put me in the new vs. old debate? How will that change when Strange New Worlds and Prodigy start up? I've liked Discovery a little more each season; will that pass TAS/Enterprise/Voyager before it's done? How do fan films/shows factor in, especially once more start taking from the new shows? What about the expanded universe, especially stuff that encompasses all eras like Star Trek Online?

Choose wisely.