What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Location:
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    GLORY TO YOU...AND YOUR MODDING.
     
  2. 1001001

    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Location:
    Undisclosed Fortified Compound
    I used to call it The Digital Hello.

    It did not catch on.

    :shifty:
     
    Commander Troi and cooleddie74 like this.
  3. tesral

    tesral Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2021
    Location:
    My Desk
    Took the words out of my keyboard.
     
    dupersuper likes this.
  4. Vger23

    Vger23 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2014
    Location:
    Enterprise bowling alley
    So anyway....controversial Star Trek Opinions....

    I generally don't like "Data episodes" of TNG.
     
    PCz911 and plynch like this.
  5. Weyoun 151

    Weyoun 151 Cadet Newbie

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2021
    Perhaps this has been mentioned in one of the previous 274 pages, as I only read about four dozen, but:

    DS9 was good specifically because Roddenberry was not involved and it was allowed to creatively evolve beyond some of his original ideas and insistence for TNG.

    I'm not sure Pale Moonlight or the stories where they show that things aren't actually post-scarcity in that world would have been greenlit by Gene.
     
    kkt and Vger23 like this.
  6. 1001001

    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Location:
    Undisclosed Fortified Compound
    Data's Day is one of my favorites!
     
  7. Vger23

    Vger23 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2014
    Location:
    Enterprise bowling alley
    it was actually a discussion with @Orphalesion about "Data's Day" that made me post this scandalous opinion!
     
  8. Vger23

    Vger23 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2014
    Location:
    Enterprise bowling alley
    I agree, because I think that any franchise that goes as long as Star Trek has gone needs to grow and expand outside of its original (although I would argue Gene's take on TOS was much different than what developed in the mid-70s and beyond) scope and feel.
     
  9. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2014
    I mean the problems that arose from Roddenberry's influence on early TNG are pretty well documented, imho.

    As to Data's Day. Personally I like it, other's don't. I don't like City on the Edge of Forever, it's all good, people like what they like.
     
  10. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2011
    Location:
    astral plane
    That's pretty good. So's "The Offspring."

    I've always thought that "The Measure Of A Man" started off really strong, but then it fizzled as the material went over the head of the writer (Snodgrass).

    From http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/135.htm:

    PHILLIPA: It sits there looking at me, and I don't know what it is. This case has dealt with metaphysics, with questions best left to saints and philosophers. I'm neither competent nor qualified to answer those. I've got to make a ruling, to try to speak to the future. Is Data a machine? Yes. Is he the property of Starfleet? No. We have all been dancing around the basic issue. Does Data have a soul? I don't know that he has. I don't know that I have. But I have got to give him the freedom to explore that question himself. It is the ruling of this court that Lieutenant Commander Data has the freedom to choose.​

    :barf:

    "Does Data have a soul?" That's the basic issue? Seriously? So much for Star Trek as secular humanism!*

    * - Not that it ever really was. That was just a reputation some gave it.

    And the judge meekly declaring her own incompetence? Double :barf:

    Anyhoo, I always thought that "The Offspring" is like a second bite at that apple.
     
  11. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2014
    Location:
    Suomi Finland
    What's with all the brigades and sections of Star Trek, can't everyone just like what they like.
    If someone says that thay don't like, for example Discovery for some reason, there's no reason to tell them that "but your own favourite did that too in some way or the other".
    Right now STNG is my favourite Star Trek and series overall. Also I'm interested in visiting TOS eventually because I've watched it before and it was fun entertainment. Does that put me into some certain category?
     
    Commander Troi likes this.
  12. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Location:
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    "The Royale(TNG)" is close to peak TNG for the first two seasons. I'd easily place it in the Top 10 of the first 50 episodes of the series.
     
  13. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    Yes.
     
    Commander Troi likes this.
  14. Vger23

    Vger23 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2014
    Location:
    Enterprise bowling alley
    [​IMG]
     
    cooleddie74 likes this.
  15. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2014
    Location:
    Suomi Finland
    That makes me wonder, which one?
     
  16. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    Probably a fan one.
     
    Commander Troi likes this.
  17. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2014
    Location:
    Suomi Finland
    That's nice, I'm a fan of the two first Star Trek live action series.
     
  18. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    Probably the Star Trek fan one then. We'll have to conduct more studies to be sure though.
     
    Commander Troi likes this.
  19. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2014
    Location:
    Suomi Finland
    I understand, no point making judgements too fast. I will let you decide how we might proceed with this inquiry.
     
    Commander Troi likes this.
  20. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2014
    Location:
    Journeying onwards
    Thank you for your cooperation.
     
  21. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2014
    Location:
    Suomi Finland
    No problem. And while I know it's mandatory, I won't take it personally if you don't personally do the initial anal probing, one of your insect servants may do it.
     
    Commander Troi likes this.