What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. CorporalCaptain

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    No, I don't see what you mean at all. I hear "It's God's plan" and the like invoked IRL all the time. "Cosmic plan," "God's plan," same difference. The chain of reasoning whereby Troi concludes that they are free to make their own choices without interfering in any hypothetical cosmic plan is the opposite of incredibly stupid. Without the discussion, they couldn't have gotten there.
     
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  2. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    <Kirk>Eh… what does god need with Star Trek? </Kirk>
     
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    Considering that they haven't even solved 'basic' questions pushed right in front of their nose by that time (is Data sentient or conscious? Should he be allowed full individual's rights?), why should they be expected to have solved much more theoretical and 'distant' questions by that time?

    Also, even if it were supposedly 'settled' by that time, there probably always would be individuals that thought differently, perhaps in secret (much like it was pretty much settled Christianity was the truth in middle ages in Europe).
     
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    No.....:devil:
     
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    Doesnt make any difference if other disagree, Deanna does seem to agree. Good for her.
     
  7. publiusr

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    I think a sci-fi tale or three hitched on that concept…mistreated on all worlds
     
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    I don't consider "City on the Edge of Forever" a great episode. It's good but I've never understood all the hype.

    I also don't consider Edith Keeler to be Kirk's great love. I feel his relationship with Miramane was much stronger he was heartbroken at not being able to prevent her death but he was just as upset when Miramanee died (he couldn't prevent that one either).
     
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    ...I feel his relationship with Miramane was much stronger. He was heartbroken at not being able to prevent her (Edith's) death but he was just as upset when Miramanee died (he couldn't prevent that one either).

    Edited to clarify
     
  10. Vger23

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    COTEOF was an amazing episode for its time. I think the fact that time travel and paradox episodes and stories in Star Trek and scifi in general have become pretty much cliché at this point, it has diminished the impact of this episode and how special it was at the time.
     
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  11. Oddish

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    Two I've touched on elsewhere...

    1. "Before and After" was not as disturbing as many say. Both Kes and Linnis reached adult emotional and sexual maturity at a young age. Tom and Harry were good men who would not have exploited emotionally immature or vulnerable individuals. They both found an opportunity for romance (at a cost: their time with their partners would be brief), and they took it.

    2. There was nothing particularly wrong with Janeway's actions in "Fair Haven". She has needs just like anyone else, but her status as captain precluded romance with the crew (TNG's "Lessons" shows the wisdom in this). So why not have a little fun in Fair Haven?

    I rather liked the beginning of "Homecoming" by Christine Golden. It shows the Paris family reunion, Tuvok getting his mind meld with his son, Janeway making admiral. But it also has Janeway saying her goodbyes to Michael, suggesting that they had continued to spend time together in the ensuing year.
     
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  12. Alice_27

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    I watched this episode for the first time in the mid to late 70' (so not decades after its 1st airing); just never really liked it. To each their own :)
     
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    My primary issue with the episode is the acting of Joan Collins. Not that it's bad, but it's just...old timey...in a way that was already dropping out of style in the mid 1960s. It seemed more like something you'd see in a movie from the Golden Age of cinema. And her speech regarding the future was a little too on-the-nose/fourth wall breaking.
     
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  14. Lord Garth

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    I'm okay with it, mainly because they time-travelled to 1930. So, artistic-license, Joan Collins could've acted in 1930s style as a deliberate choice and the director, Joe Pevney, approved of it.

    I actually prefer it because, in a strange way, it makes it feel more like they went back to 1930 instead of a 1967 version of 1930.
     
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  15. CorporalCaptain

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    You said pretty much spot-on what I was going to say.
     
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  16. Orphalesion

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    As I have repeatedly said in this thread and others, I'm with you on this topic.
    I never understood what people see in it either. And I hate the Keeler Elf's stupid speech about space ships.

    Plus with all the hype, and with the very poetic name, I expected something a lot more spectacular and exotic than "we're going to the backlot in historical costumes *yet again*"
     
  17. Vale

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    I'm not sure these counts as a genuinely controversial opinions, but:

    Edited at Poster's request.
     
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  18. CorporalCaptain

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    Are you kidding? :lol:
     
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    Oh crap. These is what happen when I'm trying to proof-read while watching TV.
     
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  20. Alice_27

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    Thank you! This post is about controversial opinions yet so many are trying to argue that my opinion is wrong. I posted this because I knew it would be controversial to most Trek fans (which is what this thread is about right?). I'm sure that some of my favorites are not as well received and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to like what they like. Yet I feel that by mentioning this almost sacred episode everyone who loves it feels the need to try to point out why my OPINION is wrong or at least try to persuade me to reconsider such a blasphemous statement.

    If you love this episode, that's great, I'm happy you have found your favorite. Just realize that not everyone is going to share your opinion.