Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x07 - "Where Pleasant Fountains Lie"

[DaveyNY]

That was my thought, too, though I could have done without the "hurr, hurr, Ren Faire nerds are virginal losers" angle. (Seriously, if he manages to have sex he automatically becomes king? Come on.)

Gepard, not a Ren Faire guy but respects the enthusiasm.

It's not "... if he manages to have sex", it's If he Chooses to have sex.

 

[DEWLine]

Turkana IV was set up after the Federation started, right? (Do we know one way or the other?)

 

[DEWLine]

@DaveyNY: The whole Hysperian royal succession story re-frames the question of bodily autonomy, doesn't it?

At its heart, it's a story about the nature of informed consent.

 

[DaveyNY]

@DaveyNY: The whole Hysperian royal succession story re-frames the question of bodily autonomy, doesn't it?

At its heart, it's a story about the nature of informed consent.

Heh ...
Then thank goodness 'Mother Nature" has a sense of humor when it comes to the function of the male anatomy.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Huh? The Ren Faire folks seem to like having a lot of sex. Billups was the anomaly in their culture. He wasn't a Ren Faire nerd. And I'm pretty sure people get laid at Ren Faires.

LARPs and SCA are the bathhouses of nerds.

 

[Paul755]

I liked the a-plot with Boimler, Mariner and the evil computer a lot. Especially that Boimler was in control the whole time. It wasn’t just “Mariner to the rescue”.

But the b-plot was too much of a twist on the Troi’s.

Combs as usual was fantastic.

 

[Sarcastic Vulcan Salute]

Mariner wants to pretend it never happened and go back to Boimler being her bumbling useless sidekick. This episode basically shatters that possibility forever.

Forever's a mighty long time, as His Royal Badness once said. If TPTB want to push the reset button and make Boimler bumbling and useless again, they can and will. Also, it should be pointed out both in story and from our perspective as viewers, this only works because Mariner and the computer both think Boimler might be bumbling and useless. If this were a plot that was happening on TNG, it wouldn't work very well because we generally know any of the main crew, recurring crew etc. is not stupid enough to be duped by the computer.

 

[jackoverfull]

Turkana IV was set up after the Federation started, right? (Do we know one way or the other?)

we don’t.

The whole Hysperian royal succession story re-frames the question of bodily autonomy, doesn't it?

well, even today the members of royal families hardly have much freedom on who they marry abs what they want to do with their life. See all the recent fuzz with the UK one or the one some 10 years ago with the Japanese one.

 

[chrinFinity]

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that Billups "changed color."

Serious question, I am color-blind (strong protanomaly, red/green issues), did Billups's skin change colour? What scene was it in? What was the dramatic or narrative implication? If you know what this refers to, please help me out. I watched the episode 3 times and I did not notice this.

Thanks

 

[jackoverfull]

I didn’t notice that either.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

The rome planet, on the other hand…and those two planets with copies of the Earth cultures, down to the flags and, in one case, the continents…

Medieval planet made me think of TOS straight away. The dancer and lute player was straight out of the hippy episode

 

[ToddCam]

I would be surprised if the Federation had an active absolute monarchy as a member. Other than Ardana, has there been any UFP members depicted with anything other than something like a republic/democracy with full adult franchise?

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I would be surprised if the Federation had an active absolute monarchy as a member. Other than Ardana, has there been any UFP members depicted with anything other than something like a republic/democracy with full adult franchise?

Vulcan was possibly theocratic. We never get a lot of non religious details from Vulcan so it's hard to know

 

[Masao]

The name of the ship, "Monaveen," made me think of "Mondagreen," which means to mishear or misinterpret a phrase. For example, "kiss this guy" instead of "kiss the sky" in Purple Haze.

 

[DaveyNY]

I would be surprised if the Federation had an active absolute monarchy as a member. Other than Ardana, has there been any UFP members depicted with anything other than something like a republic/democracy with full adult franchise?

"Elaan of Troyius" ?

 

[cooleddie74]

Andoria might have had an autocracy with less-than-ideal democratic principles before the founding of the Federation but is likely a full democracy by the 24th century. "Imperial Guard" doesn't exactly denote a democratic, egalitarian republic.

 

[Rocky6]

Have you noticed Mariner's boots soles?
They look pretty cool

 

[Charles Phipps]

Well we know the Federation doesn't let caste societies into its ranks from DS9.

However, the Federation is also meant to be based on the UN and not a US style democracy.

My inclination is that they probably have a Parliamentary democracy but said democracy supports the Queen with actual power of some sort.

 

[jackoverfull]

I would be surprised if the Federation had an active absolute monarchy as a member. Other than Ardana, has there been any UFP members depicted with anything other than something like a republic/democracy with full adult franchise?

We don’t know how much power the queen/king actually has.
It might as well be like modern monarchies (or the Klingon empire!€, where they are mostly figureheads.

Have you noticed Mariner's boots soles?
They look pretty cool

yes, they have always been like that.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I really enjoyed this one.