If that were so, why would Pike "agree with her reasons" for staying with the Talosians in The Cage?
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If that explanation would work for you, that's fine. Speaking for myself, that would be stretching like Reed Richards.
Yep. And Discovery clarified that Pike still believed Vina should have come with them. Furthermore the Federation is built on diversity and acceptance regardless of how you look and Vina would have a place there.
But the Federation could never provide Vina with the quality of life that she received from the Talosians. Pike was accepted despite how he looked. He still had a place. He even retained his rank. He still preferred the freedom living with the Talosians presented. That's what Pike understood.
And that's all fine and good, but that's not really what was shown onscreen in Discovery where she looked nowhere near as bad as you're describing. And even in the Cage Vina was still healthy enough for the Talosians to realistically expect that she and Pike were going to help create an entire new race for them.
Did he? Prior to being picked up by Spock, all we see him do is sit in a room by himself
"Healthy enough to conceive a child" is an odd way to judge one's quality of life. She still had trouble moving around. In fact, movement seemed painful for her.
I'm not judging someone's overall health solely on reproductive abilities, that's taking my post way out of context.
My ears are permanently ringing loudly all the time. I couldn't even sleep normally for years until my body somehow adapted eventually. I wouldn't want to stay with a species who outright admitted they didn't understand human anatomy.
They just used the fucking Guardian of Forever to goose a lame story for a little fan-service moment. Dissatisfaction is part of being a trekkie.
It was 1964. The (male) writer expected the audience to "get" that a conventionally unattractive woman had no reason to seek the company, and therefore court the rejection, of others.
Just looked up that the writer of Cage was Gene Roddenberry. Yeah, he still had a way to go I guess in working out of that line of thinking.
They can always alter his "Final Fate" to be slightly different.
The type of injury or permanent condition he ends up with can be different.
The one aspect of JJ-verse Trek that I liked was that Pike in that universe didn't end up stuck to a machine, forever dependent on it for survival like in TOS.
He was only left paralyzed and in a wheel chair.
That's a order of magnitude improvement in terms of bad ends that one can end with.
They can always alter his fate to end up slightly different than the original "Bad End".
The type of injury or permanent condition he ends up with can be different.
The one aspect of JJ-verse Trek that I liked was that Pike in that universe didn't end up stuck to a machine, forever dependent on it for survival like in TOS.
He was only left paralyzed and in a wheel chair.
That's a order of magnitude improvement in terms of bad ends that one can end with.
They can always alter his fate to end up slightly different than the original "Bad End".
Honestly, I still think Pike should show up in Discovery. The Talosians read his mind and saw his wish to see his friends there again and find out what happened to them, so they froze him and Vina till the 32nd century at which point medical tech easily cures their injuries (the Burn only affected propulsion after all, not other tech)
He definitely retained his rank, since it was on that technicality that they were able to hold the court-martial hearing.
Before Discovery premiered, I thought they might take real chances and regularly kill off important characters who would then stay dead. That clearly isn’t what has happened. So the question of will they or won’t they fix Pike’s fate strikes me as having interesting dramatic potential — certainly moreso than another pointless threat to all life, the universe and everything. If it makes the writers drill down to the character level, great. Do with Pike as you will.
That he still had an official rank doesn’t mean he had a place in society. Not like he could give an order with the two beeps he had at his disposal.
Well Lorca (either one) and Prime Georgiou have not been seen in a while...
BEEP.
Bad guys get to stay dead, at least until they get resurrected for more evil. And Georgiou was only created to be bumped off and replaced by the same actress. None of the main cast members is in any real danger, it feels like — no more so than TOS or TNG. Though I’d love to be proved wrong.
With his brother dead and his sister missing, yes.
