Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x05 - "An Embarrassment of Dooplers"

[oldtrekkie]

7 but barely.

I didn’t find the dooplos thing funny or believable (apart from the very first scene, with the fork, and dr T’Ana, which is always hilarious) and found the endless action sequence quite boring. The episode is saved a bit by the characters scenes and Kirk’s bar but I do hope this is the last episode in the season to be dedicated to Mariner’s anger towards Boimler leaving or Rutherford’s change.

Cool Easter eggs as usual (kzinti again, the guardian of time, the avians from TAS, the doomsday machine…the skants!!)

When they said "Avians" for a second I hoped it would be the Xindi Avians, having somehow survived the extinction of their species.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The Dooplers seemed like something that would work better on Futurama.

Good call. Season 6, episode 7, Benderama. Bender keeps cloning himself and the machine used to duplicate himself into half-sized versions, etc, etc, until there's billions of microscopic Benders.

 

[jackoverfull]

2. Data Bubble Bath is something I am Mandella effecting on. Did I own this as a child? Is it real?

indeed. I definitely had a Batman (correction: I still do!), but never a Data.

In universe it’s also kinda creepy, considering the guy died like a year before this episode.

Mind you, I have mixed feelings that Starfleet has classicism about what sort of ship you're on. I actually like the idea that the Cerritos is kind of the workhorse of Starfleet and "the worst ship in the fleet." But I also think elitism there is kind of ridiculous even for Lower Decks.

I didn’t like this either, but it works with how the show has portrayed the ship.

Speaking of which, what does “Lunar Class or higher” mean exactly? Are we going to get a hierarchy down the line?

Given that's the Titan's designation, it either suggests that Riker is a lot more prestigious than we thought or a lot less if he barely squeaks by.

A lot less, I’d think…

Hilariously, its Roddenberry canon that plenty of people assumed Kirk and Spock were lovers despite them not being so.

it’s de di Hurley Gene’s vision: it’s in the TMP novelization!

Spock was married, presumably to a woman, and possibly Saavik (per Picard, who attended the marriage of Ambassador Sarek’s son)

Picard attended to the wedding of a son of Sarek, but it was not specified if it was Spock and who the spouse was.

Is the station not a Starfleet facility? I was a little unclear on that, with the corrupt security and all the sketchy stuff going on.

that perplexed me as well. Perhaps they have an agreement with someone else and are jointly running the station with them, like with DS9.

It appears that they carved "Kirk + Spock" into the table, but then Mariner (or Boimler) carves "Mariner + Boimler" into the table. And we know they're not having sex yet, therefore Kirk and Spock probably weren't having sex at the time of their drunken night together. There's no indication in the episode that they were more than drinking buddies.

I can totally see a drunk Lt Kirk carving that after being rejected by a lady at the party and Spock going all “mr Kirk, this is illogical. Besides, we just met”.

Kirk + Spock... In my country someone + someone carved in wood normally means romance

same here. But perhaps not in four centuries on a space station far away.

When they said "Avians" for a second I hoped it would be the Xindi Avians, having somehow survived the extinction of their species.

me too.

By the way: Voyager-D? What happened to A, B and C?!

 

[oldtrekkie]

...
By the way: Voyager-D? What happened to A, B and C?!

You juvenile mind. A leads to B, B leads to C and C leads to A...


Well, my guess is that they had very unlucky captains that managed to crash them into asteroids or some such...

 

[Tim Thomason]

By the way: Voyager-D? What happened to A, B and C?!

Voyager-A was launched in 2372, a renamed Intrepid in memory of her lost sister ship. She was destroyed in battle during the Dominion War.

Voyager-B, a Defiant class, was launched in 2374, but destroyed due to computer malfunction.

Voyager-C was launched, as "Voyager-B", so the Dominion didn't realize that Starfleet had lost another ship. She was renamed back to Voyager-C, then to Valiant-A, after Starfleet learned that Voyager-Nil was still around.

Voyager-D, an Intrepid refit, was launched as Janeway's personal flagship after the original Voyager was retired as a museum ship.

 

[Airmandan]

Let’s face it, if they do the whole Mariner/Boimler thing, it’s gonna be with his Duplicate, who’ve we’ve already seen was much more confident in himself.

 

[Tuskin38]

There's an Aeroshuttle in the scene where the Cerritos approaches Starbase 24.

 

[jackoverfull]

Voyager-A was launched in 2372, a renamed Intrepid in memory of her lost sister ship. She was destroyed in battle during the Dominion War.

Voyager-B, a Defiant class, was launched in 2374, but destroyed due to computer malfunction.

Voyager-C was launched, as "Voyager-B", so the Dominion didn't realize that Starfleet had lost another ship. She was renamed back to Voyager-C, then to Valiant-A, after Starfleet learned that Voyager-Nil was still around.

Voyager-D, an Intrepid refit, was launched as Janeway's personal flagship after the original Voyager was retired as a museum ship.

cool idea!

Let’s face it, if they do the whole Mariner/Boimler thing, it’s gonna be with his Duplicate, who’ve we’ve already seen was much more confident in himself.

wel, it worked for quatrip tucker after all

 

[Charles Phipps]

I assume comic book physics of "Dooples are psychics who draw energy from other dimensions and expel it back when they combine" is at work here. Its unlike the Tribbles who are permanent as we see the Dooples combine. Trek has beings who have evolved superpowers and this is clearly on the "I can turn invisible or shoot laser beams" scale of mutants.

 

[valkyrie013]

As a model builder I am thrilled that future trek kits will have working phasers, shields and warp cores!
Loved the doc and her bleeps

 

[DEWLine]

Working warp cores?

How carefully are they regulating anti-matter access?

 

[Noname Given]

A 7.

It was a decent episode that had me laughing in numerous spots.

- The whole 'Duplo' bit got old; and they didn't really explain how once a majority were 'recombined'; they got them all into the same area for a final verbal assault to recombine down to one.

- Surprised they didn't do a Blues Brothers bit with the car chase scene.

- Also, prep yourselves for a Kirk/Spock 'slashfic' revival across the internet.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Working warp cores?

How carefully are they regulating anti-matter access?

It's being constructed from scratch by one of the ship's engineers. He probably asked his boss for the antimatter.

 

[ToddCam]

In addition to the ghoulishness of the Data thing, I thought the Jadzia/Ezri thing would also be in poor taste in-universe. I mean, Jadzia was murdered only 7 years ago.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Working warp cores?

How carefully are they regulating anti-matter access?

I mean, if they didn't have actual anti-matter cores then Rutherford would complain. Why he only buys Quark brand models.

In addition to the ghoulishness of the Data thing, I thought the Jadzia/Ezri thing would also be in poor taste in-universe. I mean, Jadzia was murdered only 7 years ago.

I dunno, it's a historical model. You want to be able to represent the time period you're making a model of.

 

[jackoverfull]

Indeed, it’s possible matinee even served with her and/or Ezri.

 

[ToddCam]

I assume comic book physics of "Dooples are psychics who draw energy from other dimensions and expel it back when they combine" is at work here. Its unlike the Tribbles who are permanent as we see the Dooples combine. Trek has beings who have evolved superpowers and this is clearly on the "I can turn invisible or shoot laser beams" scale of mutants.

I made a joke about how I was annoyed at where the matter comes from for the Dooplers, but I almost always just say to myself, "Obviously they were drawing mass from the Kosmosian dimension" when this comes up in any media.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I wouldn't be surprised if the bubble bath is over a year old. After all, it's just there to cover up the plan to screw with Mariner.

 

[ToddCam]

I mean, if they didn't have actual anti-matter cores then Rutherford would complain. Why he only buys Quark brand models.



I dunno, it's a historical model. You want to be able to represent the time period you're making a model of.

This is a very interesting point. Deep Space 9 being a recent place of import, I can kind of understand it, but would those historical figures include Dukats (DS9 having been reoccupied)? Mass murderers notable from the last decade?

And I hadn't caught it was a Quark brand. Seems strange he would endorse something like that, since Jadzia was a close friend of his, but he is a businessman and could rationalize it as honoring her in a sense.

EDIT: Thinking about it some more, I could also see Worf totally endorsing featuring Jadzia as part of a playset for a military outpost. And he would consider Ezri her legacy surviving. How would Ezri feel about it all?

 

[ToddCam]

I wouldn't be surprised if the bubble bath is over a year old. After all, it's just there to cover up the plan to screw with Mariner.

Given the uniform Data had on on the bottle, I took them to be at least from no later than 2373 or so, given Data's celebrity would necessitate updating for the E-E uniform.