News Strange New Worlds casting/new characters

[Phoenix219]

Yeah, I do understand — the details and the continuity used to annoy me too (and that was long before we had the new Movie franchise and streaming nu-Trek to deal with) but I’ve reached the stage in life where I just don’t find it worth the effort to worry about it.

I honestly think the whole thing has now gone beyond the point at which it’s possible to do the mental gymnastics necessary to explain away the inconsistencies. Even before this, the “head canon” that people were trying to come up with because they wanted everything to “fit” perfectly was becoming so crazily convoluted that it had gone way beyond the point where the juice was worth the squeeze.

I’m now at the point where I’ll watch each series one episode at a time and take them at face value. It’s not that I’m unaware of the problems but I admit that I no longer actively nit-pick with the proverbial fine-tooth comb. Obvious stuff is indeed hard to wholly ignore but little things from one line in one episode from thirty or even fifty years ago…?

Given that TOS, the original movies and TNG were not exactly internally consistent themselves it was inevitable that subsequent series were never going to achieve that.

Again, YMMV…

Thats why I *like* my idea - because its not trying to make things fit. Its saying, at this point, all of this, replaces all of that, but if you watch the shows in production order, its still all linear! One still leads to the next. It takes away the need for all the mental gymnastics. Just seems too simple to pass up. Time travel movie, prequel show with time war and out-of-time artifacts, then completely reimagined (both visual aesthetics and in-universe technology) 23rd century. One springs naturally from the previous, in chronological order, and covers all modern shows since the time travel movie. It seems like a happy accident, and one that should be embraced.

 

[dupersuper]

First couple seasons of Enterprise seem to imply heavily that its an altered timeline, before Season 4, anyways.

I think you're seeing what you want to see.

I honestly think the whole thing has now gone beyond the point at which it’s possible to do the mental gymnastics necessary to explain away the inconsistencies.

Challenge accepted!

 

[Phoenix219]

So a show that makes entire plot points out of temporal interference from the future, starting with the hero ship being SAVED FROM DESTRUCTION, plot points about all the technology Daniels has that they aren't supposed to use (but use ANYWAYS), plot points about finding technology from 200 years in the future (borg drone)...... but no, its not an altered timeline....

Seriously??

I posted a video above showing a ton of stuff that Enterprise has, that it is not supposed to.

 

[F. King Daniel]

So a show that makes entire plot points out of temporal interference from the future, starting with the hero ship being SAVED FROM DESTRUCTION, plot points about all the technology Daniels has that they aren't supposed to use (but use ANYWAYS), plot points about finding technology from 200 years in the future (borg drone)...... but no, its not an altered timeline....

Seriously??

Who's to say all those things didn't move ENT into the TOS timeline, instead of away from it? At least, when combined with lots and lots of modern Trek retcons.

ENT's time travel makes so little sense unfortunately. First Enterprise was supposed to have been destroyed and everyone killed. Then Earth doesn't exist in the future. Then Daniels' HQ was in New York on Earth which exists. Then Archer is the most important man ever and the only reason the Federation exists so he must be protected at all costs.

 

[Phoenix219]

Thats why in my headcanon, its all tied together! It was supposed to have been destroyed, but was saved, and put Archer on the path to become the reason the Federation exists *by manipulation of the TCW* - to save the Federation after the events of First Contact. Archer wasn't important, but *became* important, and the timeline was rewritten into what we are seeing on Discovery. Until Season 4, Ent seemed, to me, to be laying down a new set of events. The video I posted above references a few of the discontinuities that can be explained easily this way. To me, it is pretty clear that the events of Enterprise and Discovery are not the history of what we saw on TOS. That original history has been rewritten after the entire founding of the Federation changed. Almost all continuity isses can be explained this way. I like to think that before First Contact, Archer's ship, that was destroyed, wasn't even named Enterprise.

 

[Blue Squadron]

So TOS is one timeline, Berman Trek is another timeline, JJ-Trek is a third timeline and nu-streaming Trek becomes a fourth timeline...?

That's my point -- it's all just someone's headcanon and everyone wants something different.

The juice just ain't worth the squeeze.

 

[Tuskin38]

Can we get back to talking about casting?

 

[DaveyNY]

Can we get back to talking about casting?

 

[shapeshifter]

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[Phoenix219]

So TOS is one timeline, Berman Trek is another timeline, JJ-Trek is a third timeline and nu-streaming Trek becomes a fourth timeline...?

That's my point -- it's all just someone's headcanon and everyone wants something different.

The juice just ain't worth the squeeze.

TOS, Bennetverse and Bermanverse are one continuity, which splinters twice - once after Nemesis into the Kelvin verse, and one rewrite during First Contact that starts a new continuity that chronologically includes Enterprise, Discovery, and Strange New Worlds, which happen to be all subsequently produced live action TV shows. The fork is a choice between new TV continuity or new movie continuity. It makes so much logical sense it's hard for me to ignore how perfect it works

 

[fireproof78]

Time travel sucks. Here's hoping Strange New Worlds doesn't have it.

 

[DaveyNY]

Time travel sucks. Here's hoping Strange New Worlds doesn't have it.

Then per precedent, it wouldn't be a true Star Trek Show.

Every Single Previous Trek Show had at least one episode of time travel in it.

Trek and Time Travel are like Bacon & Eggs; Peanut Butter & Jelly; Laurel & Hardy;
Abbot & Costello; Lucsly & Dulmar ... they are just meant to be together.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I like a good time travel episode.

 

[fireproof78]

I use to like good time travel episodes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I cant wait for the SNW/Picard/Disco crossover event leading into Star Trek: DTI.

 

[The Wormhole]

I like a good time travel episode.

Let me know when we get one.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Let me know when we get one.

I like COTEOF, Carpenter Street, Past Tense and Far Beyond the Stars. Tomorrow is Yesterday has some good moments. Yesteryear is pretty good.

 

[dupersuper]

TOS, Bennetverse and Bermanverse are one continuity, which splinters twice - once after Nemesis into the Kelvin verse, and one rewrite during First Contact that starts a new continuity that chronologically includes Enterprise, Discovery, and Strange New Worlds

I'm with you until the First Contact rewrite. Obviously the Kelvin movies are a separate timeline (they even say so themselves in the 2009 movie), but the rest is all one timeline. Often glorious, sometimes frustratingly messy, but one.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Two timelines
Prime and Kelvin.

 

[Noname Given]

Time travel sucks. Here's hoping Strange New Worlds doesn't have it.

Captain Christopher Pike already saw his future in Star Trek Discovery season 2 - so sorry Strange New Worlds already starts out with time travel in its DNA...