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News RUMOR: Whittaker potentially leaving

At no point did they say the Doctor only stood up because they were special.

The only thing that changed is that the Doctor has been horrifically abused by the Time Lords, doesn't even remember it, and did the right thing anyway.

Apparently because they were recollecting their time as an agitator and and agent of the Celestial Intervention Agency, and were raised to be a policeman in the fiction within a fiction. Real anti-establishment that.
 
What’s the betting she crosses her own timeline to have Ruth Doctor remember something so the Time Lords can have a contingency plan for preventing the — even-more-camp than Revenge — Cyber Lords not happen. In an awful attempt at Moffat style timey wimey stuff.

Edit: it’s gonna be worse than that though, she’s gonna have the master redeem himself, make a baby together and send it back in time to become the timeless child as well…..
 
13 episodes + a special of who, 13 episodes of Torchwood, 14 episodes of Sarah Jane Adventures, 14 episodes of Doctor who confidential.

That's 55 episodes of Who a year, that probably only happened 2 or three times.

I only want 20.
And how many British shows do twenty episodes a year? None. Hell, even American shows having seasons of less than twenty episodes is becoming more and more normal. Even on the networks, it's not unheard of these days.
 
What’s the betting she crosses her own timeline to have Ruth Doctor remember something so the Time Lords can have a contingency plan for preventing the — even-more-camp than Revenge — Cyber Lords not happen. In an awful attempt at Moffat style timey wimey stuff.

Edit: it’s gonna be worse than that though, she’s gonna have the master redeem himself, make a baby together and send it back in time to become the timeless child as well…..

Have you considered mellowing the fuck out?
 
Mark Strong as the Doc..
Craig Ferguson?
Dougray Scott
Daniel Radcliffe?
Robert Carlyle
Alan Cummings
Tom Ellis? (Lucifer)
Toby Stephens
Oh Matt Ryan!
Charlie Cox
Jason issacs

Anna Taylor Joy.. If you can aford her..
Daisy Ridley
Bonnie Wright ... Finally a ginger
Hellen Mirren. Older woman like capaldi? Why not
Too many on that list are too expensive. See Capaldi's comments on being on The Suicide Squad compared to Who.

Goodness.

This again.

I just want 20 episodes a year, every year.

Is that so much to ask?
Apparently. The Beeb needs to throw a LOT of money at this show, it generates a lot for them, as well as a profile. We seem to be returning to the situation between BBC/Who when it was shut down before.

I wonder what it would take to lure RTD back?

Chibnall was woeful. Jodie didn't get a fair go. Same with Smith/Capaldi and Moff at the end of his run IMO. Flashes of brilliance shining through the hubris.
 
And how many British shows do twenty episodes a year? None. Hell, even American shows having seasons of less than twenty episodes is becoming more and more normal. Even on the networks, it's not unheard of these days.

Eastenders.
Coronation Street.
Emmerdale Farm.

The plan for season 27 was supposed to have the 7th Doctor earthlocked again in the 1960s with the Army people from Remembrance of the Daleks, who have since become Counter-Strike with Big Finish.
 
Eastenders.
Coronation Street.
Emmerdale Farm.

The plan for season 27 was supposed to have the 7th Doctor earthlocked again in the 1960s with the Army people from Remembrance of the Daleks, who have since become Counter-Strike with Big Finish.

soaps are a different beast. They are frequently studio bound or long term standing outside sets so they don’t have the costs associated with new sets ever week, plus ongoing story lines with casts easily split for recording,

and it’s Counter Measures.
 
soaps are a different beast. They are frequently studio bound or long term standing outside sets so they don’t have the costs associated with new sets ever week, plus ongoing story lines with casts easily split for recording,

and it’s Counter Measures.

I've heard it both ways.

That's what I described.

One set, and a fixed cast for 70 percent of the filming. A military base, and military uniforms, and pulling all the 60s era everything out of the storehouses. It would have been just like 3 stranded at UNIT HQ where all the monsters came to him.

Although, they were not going to make twice as many episodes for the same cost, they were trying to make the same number of episodes for half the cost, to side step cancellation.
 
Eastenders.
Coronation Street.
Emmerdale Farm.

The plan for season 27 was supposed to have the 7th Doctor earthlocked again in the 1960s with the Army people from Remembrance of the Daleks, who have since become Counter-Strike with Big Finish.

The scripts ready for season 27 were not this. BF has adapted some of them. One of them was a Trek pastiche with Captain Ace
 

Nerdrotic again. Most eras had three series/seasons (not chronological years, though for most incarnations, the two neatly lined up.) He's spinning more than a hard drive (prior to the introduction of SSDs). Yes, story quality is debatable - it's a separate issue. So are ratings, though from that sole standpoint one could argue a possible issue.

https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-series-8-ratings-accumulator-66394.htm
vs
https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-series-11-2018-uk-ratings-accumulator-88397.htm
etc
Chibnall brought in some good stuff. Not-as-good stuff. Just like everyone else and not everyone is going to like or dislike the same things in the show.
Too many on that list are too expensive. See Capaldi's comments on being on The Suicide Squad compared to Who.


Apparently. The Beeb needs to throw a LOT of money at this show, it generates a lot for them, as well as a profile. We seem to be returning to the situation between BBC/Who when it was shut down before.

I wonder what it would take to lure RTD back?

Chibnall was woeful. Jodie didn't get a fair go. Same with Smith/Capaldi and Moff at the end of his run IMO. Flashes of brilliance shining through the hubris.

What can RTD refresh and make feel original and new again? RTD's era was burnt out long before he left. Even at his highlight, when Rose left, people were screaming to have her back and couldn't handle Martha or her family. Which is sad because I preferred Martha and got tired of the Rose addicts, along with many. (Even in series 2, enough people wanted Rose gone and Mickey to stay because he was more interesting AS a character and Rose was trash toward him as well...) RTD bringing her back in series 4, even bypassing his large expositiondump as to how permanent and mawkish her departure was (complete with loud muzak designed to get people to cry --- wait, people go after Chibnall for using too much exposition?! Come on, the show always does that and RTD's wasn't any better...), only showed how burnt out he was as well as everyone feeling underwhelmed over Rose's return for the most part.

\His era's fans couldn't handle anyone other than Tennant either, no matter how hard Smith, Capaldi, and Whitaker had to try to keep enough similar mannerisms and "ha-ha-funny" going. That did more to make the show even more stale. A lot of viewers seem to want more of the same. We've all seen the show change, at times we like it more and at other times less. Not always for the same reasons (the flip side of the same coin about wanting the format to be identical, actually.)

The show needs to feel fresh again. Even more importantly, the show needs to take itself and its characters seriously again. That's where it begins. Returning to an era loaded with superficial and 4th wall/meta/flanderization, eventually goes nowhere as they feel hollow out retreads - unless something big and refreshing is added, which is why Chibnall's redo of "Gallifrey destroyed, oh noes!" ends up being better than a generic "time war" with some Daleks, who became comic relief soon enough as well... (which is a shame because RTD brought them back incredibly well before they went to pot in series 2. Chibnall never got the Daleks right... but he did the Master a hell of a lot more justice than the cartoon villain that Moffat and Chibnall had to rescue... )
 
The problem with that idea is that he would also be sabotaging his own career prospects.

I just think he really is that bad a writer; and have done so long, long before he ever took over the show.

I think he's got some good ideas, but they don't always translate on screen. With a co-writer, there's clealry improvement.

As producer and putting together people to write, direct, and so on - he's clearly stronger here. Why are both positions helmed by one person? Given a choice, more emphasis would be placed on production than scripting - especially the moment any time constraints crop up. Try to put out any ideas as strong as possible, though that doesn't always work - depending on what the audience wants to see in a show. And even I have to admit, with decades of more glossy looks, anything even remotely a step downward will have some people upset too. Which seems bizarre, but whatever. 100% of the audience will never be captured.

I still don't know why he didn't have a stronger and more serious Doctor incarnation with Ruth, since he stated outright she was the real deal, from the start. Maybe he wanted a contrast to Capaldi, but if the show had two comic acts in a row then Capaldi's successor could have been more serious than his as well. Then again, Capaldi's comedy was often more sardonic rather than Romper Room Goofy (stuff like the fish tank lunacy side), but is still comedic when all is said and done. Or maybe he was wanting a more humanized version, some people compare Whitaker's portrayal to Davison's - though it's much closer to Tennant's than anyone else's, by far.

But she is special. She's the progenitor of the entire Time Lord race.

Until the next showrunner plays "origin story etch-a-sketch" in the same or similar ways Chibnall had, and with similar results with factions screaming "That's insulting those in the past who made it", "that rules!", or anywhere in between, which may or may not be true to varying degrees or reasons. If anything,. NuWHO changing the Doctor directly to be the Space Jeebus trope (arguably for McCoy as well, back when the show was finding ways to refresh itself, why is it always deifying the character apocryphally), which Chibnall seemed to try to break in series 11 by having her just be an adventurer again, but series 12 does a considerable 180 in that regard as she's now the grand poobah of grand poohbahs as far as The Big Important Special One(tm) goes and that's on the same level as Space Jeebus.
 
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The CW Arrowverse shows; which budget-wise are closer to DW than a Nextflix or Disney+ series, all managed to make and broadcast far more episodes in far less time.

Good comparison -- I think he Chibnall era has been very CW-esque, and most like Supergirl. (Elizabeth Sandifer was complaining on Twitter about Jodie's Doctor never being the most interesting thing in Who. Supergirl is nevedr the most interesting thing in Supergirl.) Moving production on Doctor Who to Vancouver or Montreal would not be the worst thing in the world, and running it behind the scenes like a CW show wouldn't be a bad idea, either.
 
Good comparison -- I think he Chibnall era has been very CW-esque, and most like Supergirl. (Elizabeth Sandifer was complaining on Twitter about Jodie's Doctor never being the most interesting thing in Who. Supergirl is nevedr the most interesting thing in Supergirl.) Moving production on Doctor Who to Vancouver or Montreal would not be the worst thing in the world, and running it behind the scenes like a CW show wouldn't be a bad idea, either.

Both get John Barrowman….
 
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