Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 1 spoiler discussion!

[Christopher]

Kidder’s Lois was a little ... shall we say, heightened for comedic effect.

Yeah, I'd say there's a fair amount of His Girl Friday in the DNA of the Daily Planet scenes.

 

[Mudd]

The Margot Kidder Lois was an near-illiterate, chain smoking scatterbrain who did stuff like jumping out a window so that Superman will save her, pointing a gun (albeit loaded with blanks) to elicit a reaction from Clark (and throwing herself over Niagara Falls in the original Lester cut to make Clark out himself as Superman), essentially actions that no sane or rational person would attempt.

Lana in Superman 3, Lacy in Superman 4 and the Amy Adams versions were are far more believable as love interests and just characters on their own.

All of this. I've never gotten the enthusiasm for Kidder's Lois.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I've often wondered how Stockard Channing would have done in the role. She was supposedly the initial choice until Margot Kidder auditioned.

 

[Christopher]

I've often wondered how Stockard Channing would have done in the role. She was supposedly the initial choice until Margot Kidder auditioned.

Not quite. Channing and Kidder were the final two contenders out of the various actresses who auditioned (including Lesley Ann Warren, Anne Archer, and Holly Palance), and Kidder got the part because of her performance in her screen tests with Reeve. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...ad-different-leading-pink-lady-000147993.html

 

[Commander Troi]

My guess is that they're doing what they did with Black Lightning - let it find a voice and audience by itself in first season. If Melissa (or another actor from Supergirl) is up for it, they can guest star next year.

Of course, we *did* have Diggle on, so maybe it's just logistics or something else I haven't thought of yet.

 

[Commander Troi]

Come again?

Yeah, not getting that either. Margot had her problems, but her portrayal of Lois wasn't one of them IMHO.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Kidder’s Lois was a little ... shall we say, heightened for comedic effect. (The “near-illiterate” thing, which I assume refers to her spelling challenges, was actually a great running gag.) As I’ve said elsewhere, I do prefer the more grounded modern Loises (Tulloch, Adams), but Kidder’s version is a classic portrayal that works perfectly with the tone and style of those films.

The misspelling part is common amongst us journalist. Grammar and spelling mistakes abound in copy... especially under a tight deadline. Ask my former copy editor. She used to drop off printed layout pages redlined with my errors onto my desk, so I'd see them first thing the next day. Ah, good times!

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Not “want to”. Simply not denying multiple depictions of Superman killing (albeit very rarely—no one wants Superman to be indistinguishable from The Punisher ).

Well said. Superman was never Santa Claus, and for anyone who actually read Superman stories across the eras, they would know that the character was not running around with some strict, "I do not kill" belief. His actions were always born from necessity, and on some occasions, anger.

The Margot Kidder Lois was an near-illiterate, chain smoking scatterbrain

Obsessive and insulting...yes. Near-illiterate? That's a new one about the character.

 

[Jayson1]

The Margot Kidder Lois was an near-illiterate, chain smoking scatterbrain who did stuff like jumping out a window so that Superman will save her, pointing a gun (albeit loaded with blanks) to elicit a reaction from Clark (and throwing herself over Niagara Falls in the original Lester cut to make Clark out himself as Superman), essentially actions that no sane or rational person would attempt.

Lana in Superman 3, Lacy in Superman 4 and the Amy Adams versions were are far more believable as love interests and just characters on their own.

That just makes her eccentric. A perfect contrast to the plain straight arrow that was Clark Kent. To me she is still my favorite Lois but Tulluch is getting close. I also was a big fan of Teri Hatcher as Lois.

 

[Mudd]

The misspelling part is common amongst us journalist.

It's not treated that way. She brings Perry White a big story, he dismissively corrects her spelling. Rim-shot!

She's a comical "Perils of Pauline" character, not any kind of journalist.

 

[Commander Troi]

Back to the show at hand... Bitsy is (IMO) *killing* it as Lois. Also as a mom - I have heard that tone of voice she used on Jonathan!

 

[Commander Troi]

Yeah, not getting that either. Margot had her problems, but her portrayal of Lois wasn't one of them IMHO.

Of course, I *was* 9 years old when I first saw it.

 

[Mudd]

Back to the show at hand... Bitsy is (IMO) *killing* it as Lois. Also as a mom - I have heard that tone of voice she used on Jonathan!

Yep.

 

[Mudd]

Yeeeeeeeeeeep

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What's the problem? The bully had it coming, and Clark paid for the damage.

I mean, it's not like anyone's neck got snapped.

 

[Jayson1]

It's best to think of the Bully scene like some of the racist or sexiest stuff in TOS. It is their but it's best to kind of pretend it isn't their because it doesn't either reflect the overall tone of the show or character or characters. So even though Supes killed Zod and beat up a defenseless Bully it's still kind of out of character overall.

 

[Mudd]

It's best to think of the Bully scene like some of the racist or sexiest stuff in TOS. It is their but it's best to kind of pretend it isn't their because it doesn't either reflect the overall tone of the show or character or characters. So even though Supes killed Zod and beat up a defenseless Bully it's still kind of out of character overall.

Hey, bully accidentally picked on someone stronger than him. It happens.

 

[The Realist]

Never had a problem with the diner scene. The guy was clearly an inveterate, serial asshole who needed and deserved to be taught a lesson. And the comic tone made it clear the only real injury done was to “Mr. Wonderful’s” ego.

 

[Noname Given]

Never had a problem with the diner scene. The guy was clearly an inveterate, serial asshole who needed and deserved to be taught a lesson. And the comic tone made it clear the only real injury done was to “Mr. Wonderful’s” ego.

...And the poor pinball machine.

 

[Jayson1]

I just hope Clark actually gave the shop owner enough money to fix things up. It didn't look like he counted the money he gave the owner.

 

[Christopher]

Never had a problem with the diner scene. The guy was clearly an inveterate, serial asshole who needed and deserved to be taught a lesson.

What he was like doesn't matter. Other people's lack of morality is not an excuse to suspend our own. Clark had an unlimited power advantage over that man and he used it to humiliate and hurt him. That made him a bully just as much as the other guy, using his superior power to punch down at someone relatively helpless. The excuse doesn't matter. Superman would never be a bully. It was out of character.

We saw Clark talking about just that sort of thing in this week's episode -- how hard he's worked to control himself at every moment to avoid hurting people. He can't allow himself to make any of the moral compromises that we might consider excusable. The consequences would just be too dire.