Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Quinton]

Interesting. Clearly, some time will pass between the two seasons. Whether that means weeks, months, or (unlikely) years remains to be seen. But hey.

 

[Reanok]

I'm so glad that Una McCormack is writting a new Raffi novel that takes place between Picard seasons 1 &2.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Daniels: I told myself I'd never get imvolved in another one of these messes after Archer.

Picard: Excuse me?

Daniels: Nothing.

Actually, it should be the other way around. Daniel's interactions with Picard should lead into his interactions with Archer. Wibbly wobbly.

 

[cooleddie74]

Now you're cooking with warp plasma!!

 

[Danja]

I think S2 definitely speaks to our time (the main characters' lives are thrown into chaos by an overwhelming, all-consuming, outside force -- leaving each of them to pick up the pieces).

 

[fireproof78]

So, life?

 

[Danja]

So, life?

Specifically, Covid-19.

 

[fireproof78]

Specifically, Covid-19.

Well, art imitates life. Meh.

 

[Danja]

Well, art imitates life. Meh.

Yes and No.

Akiva Goldsman said they weren't going to do a pandemic ep per se (it was just too personal).

It HAD to have been on their minds (it's affected everyone).

 

[fireproof78]

Yes and No.

Akiva Goldsman said they weren't going to do a pandemic ep per se (it was just too personal).

It HAD to have been on their minds (it's affected everyone).

Of course.

 

[Danja]

The biggest thing that bothered me about Season 1 was the unaddressed obvious parallels to the Anti-Time future of All Good Things. Yes, it dealt with his Irumodic Syndrome (well, something like it) directly. But how they got to 2399 was different.

They made a series out of a concept that was originally intended to be a Short Trek.

That in and of itself is an achievement.

Sure, it could've been better. That said, given the circumstances, I'm not going to split hairs. I'm all for erring in the direction of experimentation.

Spoiler

This is obvious;y not the Terran Empire. But in the multiverse, that would be far from the only "road not taken" dark alternative to the UFP. And moreoever the Terran Empire is almost cartoonish its villainy. Officers spontaneously trying to kill each other? Agonizer booths? "Captain Killy".

I never liked the "Mirror Universe" (to me, it smacks of a lazy attempt to give a bunch of basic goody-goodys a "dark side" ).

 

[Tuskin38]

Robert Duncan McNeill was asked to be in Picard Season 1, not in a major role just a cameo basically, but he was too busy. Season 2 is also an option, but he says he is still pretty busy so it might not happen.

https://trekmovie.com/2021/07/22/ro...om-paris-for-star-trek-picard-season-1-and-2/

 

[Commander Troi]

New trailer for the second season.

May I just say that

Spoiler: Trailer Spoiler

John

looks great!

 

[Reanok]

I listened to the Trek.fm pod podcast it would be interesting to see Robert Ducan Mcneill return as Tom Paris even if it was a brief scene for Picard season 2.

 

[Scionz]

They made a series out of a concept that was originally intended to be a Short Trek.

That in and of itself is an achievement.

Sure, it could've been better. That said, given the circumstances, I'm not going to split hairs. I'm all for erring in the direction of experimentation.



I never liked the "Mirror Universe" (to me, it smacks of a lazy attempt to give a bunch of basic goody-goodys a "dark side" ).

The Mirror Universe works as a kind of institution in Star Trek. It was fun in TOS. Its return in DS9 was was pointless, but well done. Its use in Enterprise was brilliant if harkening back to TOS cartoonishness (and tying the Defiant into it was inspired). Its use in Discovery was visually interesting but overall pointless.Granted every episode is just a porthole into how that universe works, but the rate of murder and treason going on, it's amazing anything got done.

There is many real world examples in history and in the present of the banality of evil. DS9 almost went down this road with the Dominion, whose original concept was basically the Dark Federation.

I think a true Dark Federation would be fascinating to see. Extremely competent, practical and even pragmatic, but also morally inverted from the UFP we know. A good starting example would be the American Reich in The Man in the High Castle show. When you watch that show, it's filled with "thank God we live in a universe where the allies destroyed the Nazis" moments. But the entire 1960s American Reich and Greater German Reich are believably competent and believably work. It's a horrible to see " Functional Evil" that makes the world that is not it so much richer, even in the midst of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

A Dark Federation could be that too. Perhaps it wouldn't engage in practices like genocide or slavery akin to the the Terran Empire. But consider a universe where everyone over the age of 18 is required to record a daily log of their activities (a riff on a Captains log). And that that log is harvested in some kind of late 24th century big data operation (seriously, imagine what that would be) to root out subversives. Part of my own headcanon about Star Trek is that already crew logs in Starfleet are exactly that: officers are required to file them, and then Starfleet algorithmically analyzes them to keep tabs on ongoing missions and crew performance.

So out with the agonizer booths and in with the Federation that says "maybe we'll have elections, next year, if it's safe. And by the way, do YOU know what your neighbors have been up to?"

 

[Commander Troi]

A Dark Federation could be that too. Perhaps it wouldn't engage in practices like genocide or slavery akin to the the Terran Empire. But consider a universe where everyone over the age of 18 is required to record a daily log of their activities (a riff on a Captains log). And that that log is harvested in some kind of late 24th century big data operation (seriously, imagine what that would be) to root out subversives. Part of my own headcanon about Star Trek is that already crew logs in Starfleet are exactly that: officers are required to file them, and then Starfleet algorithmically analyzes them to keep tabs on ongoing missions and crew performance.

So out with the agonizer booths and in with the Federation that says "maybe we'll have elections, next year, if it's safe. And by the way, do YOU know what your neighbors have been up to?"

YES PLEASE! I would love to see this!

 

[flandry84]

Enough with the dark/mirror universes already.
It wouldn’t be so bad if the concept was treated seriously but anytime the mirror universe shows up(except in Enterprise)it’s an excuse for bad acting,costuming and lousy scripting.

 

[fireproof78]

Mirror Universe is badass. I'll take it.

 

[timtonruben359]

Whoopi Goldberg just posted in her Instagram stories that she is filming Picard right now. It says: "Ms G. is back at the bar."

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Whoopi Goldberg just posted in her Instagram stories that she is filming Picard right now. It says: "Ms G. is back at the bar."

A bar curiously devoid of any bottles of Chateau Picard. "I ran out ages ago. Supply dried up. Leaf miner invasion. I guess you were too busy saving Romulans to tend to your vines. All the oenophiles I listen to wish the Romulans never existed in the first place."