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Spoilers Season 2 Trailers, Previews, and Promos
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Chiming in a little late, but this teaser has me more excited for season 2 of Picard than the teaser for season 4 of Discovery.
This has the promise for what I wanted the first season to be: a nice slow, contemplative, nothing-really-happening Star Trek show.
The first episode of season 1 started off great, I thought, and then we got the Borg and all of that rah-rah by the end of the episode and I was like, "What in the hell is this?"
I guess I should have paid more attention to the trailers for season 1 and then I wouldn't have been so surprised and so disappointed, because I believe it was the New York Comic Con trailer that showed us exactly what we were getting.
This time around... no Borg in sight (not even any implants on anyone). And no explosions and space battles. Just nice and quiet and copacetic so far. Hopefully it stays that way.
The first teaser was great...
Just keep Picard on Earth and let the old man be an old man and I'm good, I'm golden. And Q is fine as the "villain" for the entire season as far as I'm concerned. And just leave the fireworks and whatnot for Discovery, because I don't want that kind of "excitement" in every Star Trek show.
This has the promise for what I wanted the first season to be: a nice slow, contemplative, nothing-really-happening Star Trek show.
The first episode of season 1 started off great, I thought, and then we got the Borg and all of that rah-rah by the end of the episode and I was like, "What in the hell is this?"
I guess I should have paid more attention to the trailers for season 1 and then I wouldn't have been so surprised and so disappointed, because I believe it was the New York Comic Con trailer that showed us exactly what we were getting.
This time around... no Borg in sight (not even any implants on anyone). And no explosions and space battles. Just nice and quiet and copacetic so far. Hopefully it stays that way.
The first teaser was great...
...and the second one followed suit.
Just keep Picard on Earth and let the old man be an old man and I'm good, I'm golden. And Q is fine as the "villain" for the entire season as far as I'm concerned. And just leave the fireworks and whatnot for Discovery, because I don't want that kind of "excitement" in every Star Trek show.
Earth Trek?
I kind of do too, but I just want to be positive.
No, but Picard is something that I desperately want to like because I didn't like The Next Generation at all. And Picard was going great for me... and then suddenly it wasn't.
Oh yes. Absolutely.
That to me was the best part of Picard, when they were on Earth -- the vineyard, the Starfleet Archives, The Daystrom Institute; etc.. Then they left Earth, and then it went downhill I thought.
That poster for season two hopefully indicates that they'll stay on Earth for the most part.
I'm not that crazy about Star Trek and time-travel back into the past because it's never really been that interesting to me, but maybe they'll surprise me this time around. And maybe they'll only do it for a couple of episodes and then come back to the late-24th century or whenever. And maybe jump into the future too. Going into the future is fine with me, the past is the only thing that it's like, "Okay, whatever. We can't change anything because blah-blah-blah. Okay, please don't do episodes where they have to go back in the past then... "
Yes, "The City on the Edge of Forever" is a big nothing burger to me. When I first saw it it was a big nothing burger to me, and then years later on you hear people talk about how supposedly great it was. And when I realized it was that episode that some people went on about, it was like, "Why? That was cheesy as hell to me."
Likewise, it's that reason why I've only seen bit and pieces of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. And I was excited about Quentin Tarantino doing Star Trek, then after we learned what it may have been about, it was like, "Oh-my-god-I-so-do-not-care."
Anyway, back to where I was: but yep, an old man getting on a ship and going out into space is just... "Why are they doing this?"
Just stay on Earth. Earth is cool. The best parts of Star Trek Into Darkness I thought was when they were on Earth. And I always wanted a Star Trek show set on Earth, so here's a perfect opportunity to do it. The guy is old, he had a full career in Starfleet, and now he has really no reason to go out into space. So don't create one and just stay at his cool vineyard with Laris and Zhaban, and see what kind of misadventures you can get into with that.
Leave the universe saving to Discovery. And where is my Starfleet Academy show?
And I guess I've gone on enough...
How do you reach that conclusion? After all, the first poster released for season 1 was the vineyard shaped like a Starfleet arrowhead, and as you yourself noted, Earth only played a minimal role in that season.
Because it's a show called Star Trek. It isn't a show about movie or sports stars on a hike cross country.
That poster is just meant to parallel the poster for S1That to me was the best part of Picard, when they were on Earth -- the vineyard, ....
That poster for season two hopefully indicates that they'll stay on Earth for the most part.
It doesn't indicate the entire show will be mostly on earth, any more than the the S1 poster did.
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Oh, it's not the great trek across the Earth on the ultimate road trip? 
Of course, I said hopefully it indicates that it'll mostly take place on Earth. And I'm working off of the the two teaser trailers so far (in addition to the teaser poster), and mostly the second teaser because that shows actual scenes from the season. And so far they haven't showed us (I believe save for one shot with Elnor) anything but shots that look like they're on Earth.
Once we get the full trailer of course we'll know what we're dealing with; just like we got last season, which I didn't pay much attention to.
But so far, so good... pretty much nothing but Earth. Hopefully it stays that way.
And...
Yes, it's called Star Trek. It's just silly to me to have a character of Picard's age still flying around in space.
Last season they of course came up with a reason for him to go back out into space. I didn't particularly care for it, but it was what it was.
Hopefully this season isn't more of Rios and his ship, and all of them flying around in it for... reasons. For adventure or whatever. Hopefully they're more creative than that. And again, so far everything looks good to me. Q is fine to me. Everything is fine so far.
Of course, I'm fully prepared to be disappointed. But so far so good.
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Yes, I didn't say the entire show, I said hopefully it indicates that they'll stay on Earth for the most part.
In other words, what I said in the post that you quoted. Or I guess those are the exact words.
Again, looking back on the first trailer from season one, everything about that indicated that they were going out in space. I didn't pay much attention to it though then because it was a show about Picard, and I didn't care about Star Trek: The Next Generation, therefore I didn't really care about Picard. And I barely followed what was even being said about the show leading up to it's premiere, and didn't pay attention to any of the clips or anything like that. Because again it was Picard and I really didn't care about the show.
I decided to watch it anyway, and it was like, "Oh my god, this is pretty decent." Then once they left Earth it got stupid to me. And I stopped watching, and eventually finished the show many months after it had ended.
Hopefully they don't do something that's stupid to me this season. And I'll watch the first full trailer and pay attention this time. And if it looks stupid to me, then I won't waste my time watching the show. And if it looks great, then I will.
So far the teasers look great to me. Hopefully it stays that way.
Also, they could have picked any image that they wanted for the teaser poster. They could have gone with another image of the vineyard. They obviously chose the one they did for a reason. And it's an image of what looks to be contemporary Los Angeles.
So the teaser trailers indicates a largely Earth-based season so far, and the teaser poster indicates a largely Earth-based season so far. And all that they talk about so far is time, "The true final frontier is time," so that's probably going to be a major theme of the upcoming season. So hey, maybe they'll be on Earth for the most part this season.
If I'm totally wrong, then so be it. It's not that big of a deal. It's just speculation and what I'd like to see.
Why? Space travel would be like road trips for us. Almost every retired person I know travels more than I do in my late 30s. My former boss is looking at retiring this coming year and traveling year round. Space travel is routine in Star Trek.
Not trying to be pedantic but this is confusing. But, I hope you get something of what you want.
It's just a character being 94 years-old and traveling around in space was like "Why are they doing this?
Obviously it was done in Picard because of that particular reason for that particular story that they wanted to tell.
Okay, now that that's done, what would be the reason for doing it now?
I'm sure they can come up with a reason, but the idea in and of itself is just a silly thing to me. I get it, it's not hard to understand. It's just silly to me. And of course the "why" that I ask is rhetorical.
It's kind of like Indiana Jones at this point. You can of course do it, but why? Why is Harrison Ford at 78 years-old rehearsing fight scenes and getting hurt? Why are they doing this?
Anyway, if the show is something that I like, then great. And if not, then there's plenty of other Star Trek shows. And I'll just lump Picard in with 90s Trek and ignore it like I was going to anyway.
The silly ship in Star Trek went to warp a loooong time ago.It's just a character being 94 years-old and traveling around in space was like "Why are they doing this?
Obviously it was done in Picard because of that particular reason for that particular story that they wanted to tell.
Okay, now that that's done, what would be the reason for doing it now?
I'm sure they can come up with a reason, but the idea in and of itself is just a silly thing to me. I get it, it's not hard to understand. It's just silly to me. And of course the "why" that I ask is rhetorical.
It's kind of like Indiana Jones at this point. You can of course do it, but why? Why is Harrison Ford at 78 years-old rehearsing fight scenes and getting hurt? Why are they doing this?
Anyway, if the show is something that I like, then great. And if not, then there's plenty of other Star Trek shows. And I'll just lump Picard in with 90s Trek and ignore it like I was going to anyway.
I have an easier time lumping Lower Decks in with '90s Trek than I do Picard.
I see it as:
DSC = Today's Trek
PIC = Today's Trek mixed with Yesterday's Cast
LD = Today's Trek spoofing Yesterday's Trek
I see it as:
DSC = Today's Trek
PIC = Today's Trek mixed with Yesterday's Cast
LD = Today's Trek spoofing Yesterday's Trek
Surely all Star Trek is about spaceships and their crews flying around space for reasons. That's kind of the main thrust of the franchise. It's right there in the title. Why shouldn't Rios and his crew continue to fly around space for reasons? And if Picard wants to go with them instead of hanging around on his vineyard feeling old, why shouldn't he?
I dunno. It just seems strange to choose to watch a show called Star Trek and then complain about it being set in space.
And they didn't set up one of the main cast as a guy who owns a ship for nothing...
He's 94 in an era where humans can live to be 150. Especially now that Picard has a new lease on life, why wouldn't he want to travel? After all, a frustration he expressed in the season 1 premiere was that rather than living life, he was wasting his time "waiting to die."
Yes, of course, there's rampant silliness in Star Trek. What happened in Picard just happens to be at my limit.
Everyone has certain cut off points and that's mine.
Also, I guess I should have spelled it out more: but there is no concept that I dislike more in Star Trek than the Borg. That is the height of silliness to me... stupidity, really.
So Picard was fine, then the Borg happened and I was done.
It's not about it being set in space, it's about specific characters being in space.
They of course addressed this in the show. Dr. Benayoun told Picard that given his condition if he traveled out in space he could die, so he wasn't going to clear him for interstellar travel. Obviously though he was going to get cleared because they wanted to have a show.
Of course, then he died and they brought him back and blah-blah-blah. This of course too is one of the examples of Star Trek silliness that is up there at my limit. Them doing that I thought was really stupid. We're going to kill him, but of course we're not going to. It's like, "Really? Everyone kicked around this idea and decided, 'Yeah, let's do it.'" Anyway, whatever, I'll roll with it.
So okay, again, they came up with a reason for him to travel in space and voluntarily put his life at risk in the first season. So are they going to come up with another reason for him to travel in space and voluntarily put his life at risk this season too? Please, I hope they don't do that.
Going back to what you said: Rios traveling in space is fine.. I don't care. Picard joining him again though is just getting silly now to me.
Because then they have to come up with a story reason of... Well, the last time I went into space I died. But they brought me back to life. And now a situation has risen that I must go back into space again and risk my life, and risk getting shot at... and dying again. And the only way in the galaxy that I can do this is with Rios and the rest of the gang.
That's where it's getting silly to me now.
It's one thing of course when you're an active member of Starfleet and doing that sort of thing goes with the job. That's fine to me, because it's built into the story. The situation though with Picard is like, "What is this?"
Him leisurely traveling is fine. But that's not what I'm talking about, because I seriously doubt they would make a show about Jean-Luc Picard leisurely traveling around the galaxy.
I would watch it, but I'm guessing it would get more than a few complaints.
I enjoyed the first three episodes for the most part where not much of anything happened. That "slow burn" I liked a lot, but I saw that a lot of people didn't like that.
Either way, no, it's when the action started that's when it lost me. I enjoy action, but not with 94 year-old characters involved. Because that's silly to me.
So, given new Star Trek's penchant for action, which I'm totally fine with in Discovery, but them doing it in Picard is silly to me. Given who the character is, given who Picard is... And if they go into space, then action is almost sure to follow. And that to me, again, is like, "Why are they doing this?"
Just have Picard be a Star Trek show where they do next to nothing but talk. Have him and Q have some philosophical whatever about time for the whole season, and in the next season if they want to too.
Don't put any "action" in his series. So keep him on Earth where that's not likely to happen. And just do something interesting on Earth, which shouldn't be that hard to do (because the late-24th/early-25th century Earth is probably exciting), and save the action for Discovery. And I guess the exploring or whatever for Strange New Worlds.
Discovery action. Strange New Worlds exploring. And Picard talking.
That's what I want, and so that's why I hope they have Picard stay on Earth.
This makes sense, yes?
Staying on Earth in Star Trek does not make sense.
Okay. That's fine. But of course it's not that simple.
Because of course when it's a Star Trek show about a retired, 94 year-old Jean-Luc Picard it makes perfect sense to me for him to be on Earth.
What makes no sense to me is a retired, 94 year-old Jean-Luc Picard risking his life flying around in space on adventures. That's stupid to me. Because I would ask why would Picard do that?
Just like it would be stupid to me if Riker and Deanna Troi and Kestra went risking their lives flying around in space on adventures. It would be like what in the hell are they doing?
If it's a life or death situation or whatever, okay fine, what Picard did makes sense. But that's a one-time occurrence. And anything other than that then why are you doing this? And if they have to come up with some other life or death situation the requires Picard to go flying around in space on an adventure, risking his life, and that Rios and the gang, and only Rios and the gang are the ones that Picard has to go to, then that's a stupid show to me.
Hopefully that's not the scenario in season two. And hopefully the addition of Q makes that not the scenario for season two.
Of course, the bigger question is: why was there a Picard show in the first place? I understand the nostalgia factor, but the show kind of has to make sense too.
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