Justice League official "Zack Snyder" cut on HBO Max
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Sure. That second one.
Siegel and Shuster have referred to Moses being a template for Superman in interviews given over the decades, and never really wavered from that account.
Templates and building blocks are not necessarily metaphors. The baby/ship/Moses thing is really more of an allusion than a direct metaphor. But Superman has lots of those derived from a plethora of mythological sources, from Hercules and Achilles to Ra. (Nevermind Nietzsche.) But none of those represent him as a character.
However, Superman is comic book or modern day embodiment of the seven "I Am" statements from the Gospel of John.
And certainly the Christ imagery is never subtle. I mean there's no mistaking Clark falling from the heavens in a crucifix pose. Or the whole Death and Return thing.
Also, one could also link a direct parallel between the Clark/Kal dyad and the Gnostic Christos and Yeshua. Smallville goes head first into this pretty deep, just short of saying it out loud -- including its own versions of Sophia and Mary Magdalene. (Not to mention it had its own Judas.)
All of the films have used Christ iconography in some fashion. Donner/Lester having smaller references. But Snyder doubles down on it. And there's a good share of it in Returns. There's already been a little bit in S&L. And I suspect there will be more in the implied upcoming arc.
There was very little in the Reeves's show. But there was no way there was ever going to be 'false' invocation of Christ on 50s TV. The same could be said for L&C, It did tip toe around some Christ references a few times. But TV was still generally pretty traditionalist in the 90s (Especially ABC.) Besides, I can't imagine that, even if the writers wanted to, they would have gotten very far before Cain had a hissy fit.
However, Superman is comic book or modern day embodiment of the seven "I Am" statements from the Gospel of John.
And certainly the Christ imagery is never subtle. I mean there's no mistaking Clark falling from the heavens in a crucifix pose. Or the whole Death and Return thing.
Also, one could also link a direct parallel between the Clark/Kal dyad and the Gnostic Christos and Yeshua. Smallville goes head first into this pretty deep, just short of saying it out loud -- including its own versions of Sophia and Mary Magdalene. (Not to mention it had its own Judas.)
All of the films have used Christ iconography in some fashion. Donner/Lester having smaller references. But Snyder doubles down on it. And there's a good share of it in Returns. There's already been a little bit in S&L. And I suspect there will be more in the implied upcoming arc.
There was very little in the Reeves's show. But there was no way there was ever going to be 'false' invocation of Christ on 50s TV. The same could be said for L&C, It did tip toe around some Christ references a few times. But TV was still generally pretty traditionalist in the 90s (Especially ABC.) Besides, I can't imagine that, even if the writers wanted to, they would have gotten very far before Cain had a hissy fit.
Honestly, I never saw it is either allusion or metaphor. Whatever Siegel and Shuster thought, to me it played like an instance of "If you're going to steal, steal from the best" (Allen).
Actually no.So wait... Now Lois Lane is Mary Magdalene?
In super duper overly simplified terms, Magdalene's role in Gnosticism can be boiled down to 'she became Yeshua's student and learned the 'message' of Christos then taught it to the apostilles and became their boss.'
***It's worth noting that the carnal aspics do still exist in most Gnostic interpretations, it's not nearly as prevalent as it is in other readings/denos. None the less, this was brought up fairly frequently around the webz back when the whole "Chlois" theory was really popular
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That's not who the character is meant to be though, the "love side of the character" has been core part of her going all the way back to Moulston.
She's a pretty cut-and-dried toy action figure in Snyder Uncut. She does a little adolescent flirting with Bruce Wayne.
I can see why an abbreviated version of her intro made it into the final movie. It provides the first real opportunity for action in the thing, and while it makes no sense it does have the advantage of having nothing to do with the murky and endless exposition about the very simple plot line of moustache-twirling aliens coming to Earth on a scavenger hunt in order to Rule The World!!!
You make it sound like this thing is not a deathless masterpiece for the ages by the most visionary cinematic genius of our time. I don't see how that can be right.
I've made it almost an hour in, and I'm far from whelmed.
I watched it back when if first dropped. I don't really remember anything about it. And I certainly couldn't tell you how it differed from the theatrical -- which I also found to be pretty forgettable.
The problem with the film was never the director. It's a stupid and wholly derivative plot.
The problem with the film was never the director. It's a stupid and wholly derivative plot.
Whedon proved that WB foolishly hired that hack to inject all of his "Whedon-isms" into a series he did not understand, leading to a disaster filled with the worst of his habits seen elsewhere. Thankfully, fans now have the full picture of Snyder's DCEU and can forget about the steaming pile that Whedon forced in front of a camera.
I really don’t get that. I’ve seen many other superhero movies that are WAY worse than this. Perhaps they said it was unwatchable because it wasn’t finished at the time. These execs aren’t the smartest people.
Execs said the same of the work print of Star Wars (it missed just some effects and music). Execs are the last people capable to judge a movie. Otherwise, every film would be a blockbuster success.
Unless they viewed the rough cut, which is famously pretty terrible.
You are talking about Star Wars here?
Yes. The rough cut was laden with garbage dialogue and a meandering pace, with scenes that never knew when to get out. It got reworked in later cuts, shaping it into the film as we know it. (Marcia Lucas also spent eight weeks alone editing the Death Star battle, delivering a cut that was wildly different from the material they shot as scripted. Marcia Lucas doesn't get the credit she deserves, but that's another story.)
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