Justice League official "Zack Snyder" cut on HBO Max

[Mudd]

Okay, so I'm looking at a picture formatted like my parents' black and white Muntz TV. Which is appropriate to the lack of color here.

Six minutes in...have seen no creature or object that doesn't look like a video game...well, excepting maybe Jesse Eisenberg.

Empty-eyed creepy blonde girl stans Aquaman. How did that get cut for time?

"We're a small group of reactionary terrorists who see ourselves as villains and have no plausible motive for what we're doing. Because Warners wouldn't want to offend any dangerous people or governments."

Ah, babes with swords versus cosmic energy and winged alien robots. Wonder how this ends?

"Enlightened to the great darkness." Well, at least the writer has a sense of humor.

Oh, the murder hornets got the tesseract. Surprise.

Gillette paid for product placement.

"I spent a long time trying to divide us."

Nah, you spent a long time trying to kill this dude. Dead now. Good job!

Fucking space cicadas.

The amazons have spent 5000 years building an intercontinental ballistic arrow.

And...the DoD discovers they've lost the Ark of the Covenant.

Darth Vader visited ancient Europe? Fuck!

And...a long slo-mo hero walk down a short pier to the gentle strains of elevator rock.

More elliptical exposition. Vulko was more fun in Aquaman.

An hour in: nothing but turgid, meandering exposition around the simplest possible plot. Nothing happens.

 

[CaptainWacky]

I never watched the Whedon cut, but I have seen some comparison clips with the Snydercut on Youtube and...yikes. The Whedon cut literally looks like a SNL parody in places ("Do you bleed?" "Something definitely bleeding!") Maybe it all works better as a whole movie, somehow.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I never watched the Whedon cut, but I have seen some comparison clips with the Snydercut on Youtube and...yikes. The Whedon cut literally looks like a SNL parody in places ("Do you bleed?" "Something definitely bleeding!") Maybe it all works better as a whole movie, somehow.

...and to think, that was Whedon's serious contributions to the film. There's no surprise why innumerable fans held firm in wanting to see Snyder's intended vision.

 

[thribs]

The only line I liked from Whedon’s version was from Steppenwolf when he was talking to WW.
“This axe is coated with the blood of your sisters.”

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Jenkins is alright but I don’t think she’s anything special. Part of me wishes they got someone else for the third one. To get another take on the character

Left to her--and Johns'--own interests, you had a film that may as well have been another character from another franchise, as its lacks the tone and development of the first (and her appearances in the rest of the DCEU) aside from the Trevor mess of a plot. Yes, you are right--another director should have been signed after WW84's disastrous showing, but that's not happening, so anyone longing for WW to return to the strengths of the first may be in for more disappointment.

 

[thribs]

I’m not the biggest fan of WW’s “love” side of her character. To me that feels sexist because she’s a woman that she has to feel love for everything. To me she is a Amazonian warrior.

 

[Mudd]

Pointy Guy owes his boss money or something.

Another big grey video game guy pounds on the ground.

"Mother Boxes?"

"What, Bruce, we should call them tesseracts?"

Video game fight. Jesus, the finished version of the movie disposed of all this back story in about four minutes.

You know, they should have let the Lantern Corps take a Box off-planet - fuck no, I'm not going to start thinking about the plot.

Barry Allen and Irish West: first cool moment of the movie, one hour and twelve minutes in.

Bruce and Diana get middle school embarrassed about accidentally touching each other.

Slo-mo football. Run all the scenes in this movie at normal frame rate you'd knock an hour off it. Motion picture, Zach! Get it?

Cyborg blames his dad for a car accident. Introduce him to dead-eyed blonde girl; perfect.

More voice-over exposition, now with CG bulls and bears!

Damn, Ray Fisher hacked an ATM for a poor lady! Him and Barry Allen have done more for humanity than anyone else in this thing so far.

Mercedes Benz paid for product placement.

Exposition as Alfred mansplains tea to Diana. Who is his elder, BTW.

Well, Cyborg said fuck. That's something, I guess.


"Exact words I said to my prom date." Forget what I said about the writer having a sense of humor.

Mera's British this time.

Two hours in: two short shots of broody Amy Adams. One cool scene with Barry Allen. No sign of Superman.

That's enough of this yawner. Maybe some other time.

It's hard to imagine a studio seriously considering releasing this thing theatrically.

 

[The Realist]

I’m not the biggest fan of WW’s “love” side of her character. To me that feels sexist because she’s a woman that she has to feel love for everything. To me she is a Amazonian warrior.

Well, better versions of Superman are friend first, fighter second, so it's not just a woman thing.

And to the extent love is "female" and killing is "male," I'd say it's men who are getting the shorter end of that stereotype stick.

 

[thribs]

Superman doesn’t go on about love as much as her. I mean she became a star sapphire during the Sinestro Corps War or Blackest Night. I forget which.
I forget if Superman got one but I assume he would be a blue lantern

 

[thribs]

Pointy Guy owes his boss money or something.

Another big grey video game guy pounds on the ground.

"Mother Boxes?"

"What, Bruce, we should call them tesseracts?"

Video game fight. Jesus, the finished version of the movie disposed of all this back story in about four minutes.

You know, they should have let the Lantern Corps take a Box off-planet - fuck no, I'm not going to start thinking about the plot.

Barry Allen and Irish West: first cool moment of the movie, one hour and twelve minutes in.

Bruce and Diana get middle school embarrassed about accidentally touching each other.

Slo-mo football. Run all the scenes in this movie at normal frame rate you'd knock an hour off it. Motion picture, Zach! Get it?

Cyborg blames his dad for a car accident. Introduce him to dead-eyed blonde girl; perfect.

Are you just going to nitpick everything? That sort of thing is for the Discovery/Picard forums.

 

[CorporalClegg]

In almost every iteration, the tale of Superman has always been a love story at its core.

And it's pretty hard to be a Jesus metaphor without 'love' being a key element -- if even euphemistically.

 

[thribs]

In almost every iteration, the tale of Superman has always been a love story at its core.

And it's pretty hard to be a Jesus metaphor without 'love' being a key element -- if even euphemistically.

Superman is supposed to be Moses metaphor, not Jesus. The creators were Jewish.

 

[CorporalClegg]

So was Jesus.

 

[thribs]

So was Jesus.

You know what I mean.

 

[The Realist]

In almost every iteration, the tale of Superman has always been a love story at its core.

Absolutely right.

And it's pretty hard to be a Jesus metaphor without 'love' being a key element -- if even euphemistically.

Well, Superman isn't inherently a Jesus metaphor (though some creators -- good and bad -- have chosen to frame him as such).

 

[Mudd]

Are you just going to nitpick everything?

There's not a lot else to say except to joke about it; it was boring, vapid shit. The tiny bit of story there was was stuff you've seen more times than some people claim the plot of Avatar was recycled.

 

[thribs]

There's not a lot else to say except to joke about it; it was boring, vapid shit. The tiny bit of story there was was stuff you've seen more times than some people claim the plot of Avatar was recycled.

If you say so. I enjoyed it. One of the better superhero movies out there.

 

[fireproof78]

Superman is supposed to be Moses metaphor, not Jesus. The creators were Jewish.

He definitely comes across as a Jesus metaphor in the first film made.

 

[Mudd]

"Movie" is way overstating it.

 

[thribs]

He definitely comes across as a Jesus metaphor in the first film made.

Perhaps but he was definitely a Moses metaphor when he was conceived. Just think of the origins. Moses being put in a basket out to river to save him, compared to Superman being put in a rocket to survive Krypton’s destruction.
There is a fascinating feature on the Batman DVD going through the characters and their biblical references.