Spoilers The Way of the Warrior. Was it really a good idea for Sisko to get Worf?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by urrutiap, Jun 6, 2021.

  1. Timo

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    Creating a perfect fake of a person isn't really that much of a feat in general: most of the usual players in Trek ought to have the necessary tech, either by Trek precedent, or then simply because the tech already exists today here on Earth.

    Say, it should be pretty trivial to perfectly recreate the exterior of O'Brien or the interior of NCC-1701 visually: the visual recording techniques for that are available to us today or will be in the near future (say, next Christmas). And humans are highly capable of fooling themselves into believing when what they see is approximately right. Both O'Brien in "Whispers" and Kirk's ship in "Mark of Gideon" would be well on the safe side of the uncanny valley, and the rest would be standard con man stuff.

    Changelings probably don't have to rely on fancy cameras to get the visual appearance 100% right, though. Odo may have been born with the ability - and even without any formal training, when he gets a seagull 100% right visually (it's a real seagull!) he feels the need to grumble that he still is way off... A trained adult could only ever do better.

    Having a Founder agent tag along O'Brien for fifteen minutes might well suffice, then, at least when combined with it next waltzing to a comm terminal and successfully pretending to be a legitimate downloader of the Chief's personnel files or the station's visual logs or Quark's peeping Tom files...

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  2. Swedish Borg

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    Obviously, since they fooled Odo into thinking that it was Gowron that was the changeling.
     
  3. Oddish

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    Given how effectively Worf did what Sisko asked of him, I would say yes, Sisko made a good call. So did the writers of Deep Space 9. Worf was the perfect TNG character to bring in: he was complicated, he was a misfit, he had issues, and he was a warrior (and war was coming).
     
  4. Swedish Borg

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    Well, he did beat up the Klingon advocate and allowed him to search his quarters when he didn't have to...
     
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    If you're actually infiltrating sure, but I got the feeling he only took O'Briens form to mess with Sisko a bit. He certainly didn't act like Miles at all.

    I don't remember his quarters getting searched...
     
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  6. Swedish Borg

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    Are you kidding? He sounded exactly like O'Brien.
    They were and without his permission.
     
  7. dupersuper

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    Not to my ear.

    Wait, did Worf allow it or was it done without his permission? The only thing even close to that I remember is Worf granting permission for them to search his personal holosuite use.
     
  8. Swedish Borg

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    They were searched without his knowledge (hence without his permission) but he allowed the evidence even if it was illegally obtained. The look on Sisko's face said that he wanted to strangle Worf. Who could blame him? All Worf needed to do is to say that he didn't allow this evidence and Admiral dumbass would never hear about it and never consider it, per federation law.
     
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  9. dupersuper

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    Yes, but what about his quarters?
     
  10. Swedish Borg

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    I believe that evidence was found in his quarters, where else?
     
  11. dupersuper

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    Data logs of the holosuites? Expecting the records to be in his quarters would be a little like getting a warrant to search some ones house for their internet cafe search history...
     
  12. Bad Thoughts

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    Aren't Worf's quarters on the Defiant?
     
  13. Oddish

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    He sounded like Colm Meaney in "jerk" mode, seen in "Power Play", and the movie "Under Siege". He does a good villain, actually.
     
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  14. Swedish Borg

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    Nope, it was explicitly said that it was his personal database, not just the holodeck, IE everything that was personal, like his mail, his logs... etc...
    So I don't see where it could have been found except in his quarters, on his personal computer console.
     
  15. Swedish Borg

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    He sounded like O'Brien in a jovial mood. There are a few scenes in the series where O'Brien is almost exactly like that.
     
  16. Oddish

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    Funny how the changeling was able to perfectly replicate the chief's accent.
     
  17. Timo

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    Why wouldn't it? It's essentially playing back a recording, rather than toying with replicas of O'Brien's larynx or vocal cords. (Odo never bothered to turn his midbody into a proper stomach and gut, at any rate.)

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  18. Bad Thoughts

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    To be fair, the changeling was imitating Colm Meaney, who is terrible at accents.
     
  19. Swedish Borg

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    Remember what Miles and Julian kept repeating in one episode.... Kill Worf... Kill Worf...

    They really wanted to get Worf. :rommie:
     
  20. Oddish

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    After that Klingon bachelor party, I don't blame them!