They already do. If you think about it. Star Trek is just among those.
Season 7 :(
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Poor Harry!Harry even managed to get rejected by a hologram!!! Plus the only time women were swarming around him they wanted to turn him into the mummy of Ramses II.
The series "whipping boy".
Maybe the whole Star Trek's "whipping boy".
Several episodes may have their plotholes, fortunately not all of them? =)
Eh, plot holes rarely bother me.
Some are worse than others. One would think that the Enterprise would actually SECURE ITS CARGO IN PLACE!! If they wanted to smash Worf's spine, just have an inertial compensator failure and throw him against a wall with 20 g's of force.
Well, he did combine O'Brien's luck in general, Worf's luck in love, and Data's career advancement.
I'll tolerate some. Three of Trek's dumbest plot holes are Riker's career stagnation, Harry's rank, and the fundamental transformation of women's status on Ferenginar.
Jonathan Frakes and Patrick Stewart were both popular, so I can tolerate Riker not grabbing his own command: to keep them both, that had to happen. Given that Trek is a progressive show, I understand that they "had" to make Ferengi women equal, even if it didn't make sense within the plot. Again, I let it pass. But Harry's rank was just irrational stupidity: there was no intelligent or logical reason for it at all. So no, I don't let it pass.
It could be worse. He could be Barclay.
NOt to mention that he managed to communicate with Voyager against the will of his commanding officer, thwarted a Ferengi plot to steal Seven's nanoprobes, helped the doctor to cure Zimmermann, and also to get acknowledged as an author with rights. For someone who wasn't even a regular on Voyager, that's remarkable.
And she was a teacher... a REAL ONE!!!
It pays not to remember that the transporter should be an immortality machine.
I'll grant you Harry, but whether you like how they were handled or not, I don't see Riker passing up commands or a cultural shift on Ferenginar as plot holes.
The only problem with the cultural shift in Ferenginar was the speed it purportedly happened.
Correct. "Angel One" may not be a great episode, but Riker's speech makes a correct point: gender equality comes through evolution, not revolution.
Susan B. Anthony, America's greatest suffragette (if not its best-looking), began her campaign to get women the vote in 1866. She was still at it when she died in 1906, and the 19th Amendment didn't happen until 1920. She didn't just go to the White House and bonk President Johnson, and magically gain equal rights.
Also, I stand by my Riker opinion. He was an ambitious, hard charging officer. He accepted a tour on the flagship instead of his own command to accelerate his career. And, he showed magnificent command chops when Picard was taken by the Borg. It would have just made more narrative sense for him to take his own command after that.
But again, both these inconsistencies get a little slack because of real world considerations. There wasn't time to plan and execute a gradual female empowerment movement on Ferenginar, and the fans didn't want to lose either Picard or Riker.
I have to disagree here. barclay was weird but from time to time he actually accomplished something. Harry was the typical "whipping boy" character which shows up in some series and movies, the type of guy who can't go out to fetch a bucket of water without failing in some way or get into trouble.
He's actually better in some of the early Voyager books where he's actually doing something. But even here we have the "whipping boy" syndrome since he gets injured and is close to death in at least three of the books.
Which is sad, the character had potential which was never used. As it was, he was best when he was Tom Paris's sidekick.
I sometimes refer to Harry as Star Trek's most durable redshirt.
It's funny but I have a hard time separating the last six (or is it eight episodes) To me they're like an extra-long episode whose general theme is the war with the dominion with a smattering of prophet/ pah wraith plot in between...
I have heard it said that the writers of Voyager did not know how to write the character of Harry Kim. They were bored by the character and he didn't become more of a character until "The Killing Game".
Q: What would have been wrong with quietly shifting Harry to the background?
A: Nothing. Nothing at all. My ONLY issue with how Harry was treated is that he was never promoted, because it shows that the writers thought we were too stupid to notice.
Original Trek had seven main characters (and calling four of them main characters was pushing it). TNG tried nine, but it soon dropped to eight. By mid-show, it was at seven as well. Enterprise had seven. Had Voyager decided to back burner a lead or two, that would have worked fine.
A: Nothing. Nothing at all. My ONLY issue with how Harry was treated is that he was never promoted, because it shows that the writers thought we were too stupid to notice.
Original Trek had seven main characters (and calling four of them main characters was pushing it). TNG tried nine, but it soon dropped to eight. By mid-show, it was at seven as well. Enterprise had seven. Had Voyager decided to back burner a lead or two, that would have worked fine.
It shows.
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