I don't watch Star Trek just to escape.
Did Discovery jump too much into the future?
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The problem is that if they showed us the kind of utopia where we would like to live, there wouldn't be much story to tell.
I think it jumped far enough to where all the events of the post-TOS series don't have many implications that far into the future, so they can be less concerned about staying within established canon. Unification III, of course, is an obvious exception. I'm sure there will be others.
They went even a couple of centuries after Daniels.
I also don't watch it JUST to escape, but it is definitely one of the reasons. Holding to some narrow view of "relatability" doesn't help in that area.
Well, it may force them to be - dare I dream - creative.
How about the temporal bends?
At least it's not temporal narcosis...
If I cannot relate then it becomes an academic exercise.
I just wonder at your standards of relatability, and your projecting them onto "modern audiences". I also see no problem with occasional academic exercises.
Relatability-the ability to connect with a person or their situation.
I love academic exercises. Wouldn't have made it far in grad school I'd I hadn't. But, that's not why I watch fictional TV shows.
Utopia's don't exist.
Even RBE (resource based economy as proposed by Jacque Fresco) is not 'utopia'... it would simply speaking be a FAR BETTER system compared to the one we have now.
Same would apply to UFP (which is supposed to have an RBE type of system in place).
They solved majority of the issues humanity has to deal with in real life... and were presented with NEW kinds of problems.
So, the 'problems of the future' wouldn't be the same as they are today.
To a person from 200 years ago, it would look like WE live in a utopia.
While solving most of the problems we are faced with today may seem 'daunting', its more than possible to achieve, but it still wouldn't be 'utopia' - it would simply be FAR better compared to C(r)apitalism.
I wouldn't mind seeing that kind of thinking as opposed to 'space cowboys' trope.
Transposing existing behaviors and notions onto a future which is supposed to be quite different is frankly... ridiculous, repetitive and extremely unimaginative.
Discovery writers had an opportunity to push the scientific and technical aspects of Trek to showcase for example how a fully realized Type III and emerging Type IV civilizations might look like in that setting (which is what UFP is technically supposed to be by the 32nd century due to law of accelerating returns - and let's be honest, they would have been a Type II civilization on its way to becoming Type III in TNG era) - especially for a combination of alien civilizations working together without monetary obstacles of any kind) and how they deal with problems of the future.
It's Trek... I don't think its meant to remain stagnant and unchanged... its meant to show a better tomorrow (which also implies evolution/change/advancement).
Also, 'change' doesn't mean 'lets create a stupid and perfectly avoidable disaster which would dismiss everything that came before and retain a sense of familiarity'. Trek is better than that.
There are plenty of of sources about what hypothetical Type III and Type IV civilizations could look like for the writers to explore and use for Trek... which makes me think the team of writers they have is either extremely lazy, incompetent or just plain constricted by the executives (which wouldn't be the first time it happened for Trek).
For crying out loud they apparently can't even pick up a calculator to keep Warp speeds from going all over the place... nevermind the fact its utterly stupid to think the UFP would continue with M/AM, dilithium and Warp drive in general past the early 25th century... certainly not compared to what was shown on TNG and VOY.
Ignoring what came before and not building upon it isn't a solution... its a cop-out.
Seriously, people who pursue writing for a living have to be able to do their own research and flesh things out... and numerous successful books have been written as a result (which the general public was able to comprehend and enjoy).
Writers who study the discipline in college or university must be able to create a good enough/compelling story... Disco S3 cause of the Burn (its plot holes) and general lack of advancement would have probably earned these writers an 'F' (while bearing in mind that students were flunked for less).
Trek writers just seemed to go down the 'cheap and lazy' route in Season 3 (plus I wasn't too ecstatic about Season 2 plot line about 'evil AI' - so STUPID and completely WRONG for Trek - which I really thought was above that nonsense - and then PICARD has to go do that AGAIN... seriously, this 'AI is evil and will kill us all' trope is utterly unimaginative and only demonstrates how the writers LACK knowledge of science, technology and emergence of mechanistic aspects of behavior).
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Could be worse a splinter of Control manages to time jump into the future and finds the Federation, and with access to all kinds of new technology well shit hits the fan and all the crying in the world can't save them. I kid, I kid
But I do like the idea of a splinter of Control time jumping
But I do like the idea of a splinter of Control time jumping
I don't
Hey that's cool it was just a weird idea I had of my own fiction.
Consistency has gotten way worse with picard ans disco. The franchise before them was relatively consistent in look and feel and how things adavanced. The kurtzman shows crapped in that. Honestly The orville has done a much better job. They dont have the stupid floating interface buttons. They use the flat panel buttons with a dash of holo screend and it works great. The orville is a far superior show then any kurtzman trek.
The Orville remains in the past. It's like that old car that is beat to 
but people claim "but it runs great!"
The simple truth about Trek now is that it cannot advance. Rather odd for a show about the future...
but people claim "but it runs great!" The simple truth about Trek now is that it cannot advance. Rather odd for a show about the future...
The Orville remains in the past. It's like that old car that is beat to
The simple truth about Trek now is that it cannot advance. Rather odd for a show about the future...
The kaylon episodes are great. The effects are far superior them what we get in Picard. The writing is consistent. The look of the show is bright and warm and the characters all have hope. The total opposite in what we get in kurtzman trek. Oh and the best thing of all we dont get crying every episode. Lol
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Btw, it only makes sense that Chronos would be far away. If Chronos was so close that Archer could be there in three days!!! Then we would have been the first world they conquered. Remember that's all they do, they conquer. And in our current state, we would be no match for an invading alien force like the Klingons.
Oh come on you'll keep watching Disco.... You know you will
And it's got that patented Seth MacFarlane problematic treatment of consent
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